tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post1910487125708725684..comments2023-08-23T11:39:10.517-07:00Comments on Putin@war: The helicopter fired upon the green van of the attackers.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-90809033855457378712014-05-27T09:09:37.720-07:002014-05-27T09:09:37.720-07:00I did my own research on this attack and have some...I did my own research on this attack and have some answers (I hope)<br />1. First shooting, when ALL Ukrainian soldiers at this camp were killed or wounded, have ended before 5a.m.<br />In this video at 0:50 local man says, that he came there at 5a.m. to help wounded soldiers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiiUTtC7aKk?t=50s<br />2. At the time of drive-by video, there was no military presence. Ambulance and civilians were helping wounded.<br />3. There was just another military unit at the video with helicopters. These soldiers came later, hours after the attack. Just by the sun position we can assume, that time is about 7-8a.m. or later.<br />4. Why helicopter opened fire is unclear. Most plausible version we can hear at 7:40 : "They fired because they thought it's fight here. Just when they arrived it was explosion"<br />And this can be true, at 0:28 soldiers noticed helicopters, at 0:30 burning wehicle exploded.<br /><br />Sorry for my english, I did my best :)<br />Again, greetings from UkraineAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07791037169979531922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-20340337856977520662014-05-24T15:43:12.951-07:002014-05-24T15:43:12.951-07:00The soldiers in the field clearly thought the heli...The soldiers in the field clearly thought the helicopters were theirs at first - they wouldn't have been sheltering IN FRONT of the truck otherwise. If the helicopters were not Ukrainian, they would surely have attacked the truck and the soldiers out in the open first, and the tank in the field further away. I think Ukrainian helicopters have two white bands on the tail section to differentiate them from Russian ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-30511299087113951952014-05-24T14:29:18.019-07:002014-05-24T14:29:18.019-07:00Ok, fair enough. Thanks again. I can't underst...Ok, fair enough. Thanks again. I can't understand Russian, so you are a great help!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-53247831430318616322014-05-24T13:34:43.665-07:002014-05-24T13:34:43.665-07:00I'm sorry, can't find the proof link. At l...I'm sorry, can't find the proof link. At least - commander by the phone says there's already no terrorist in there, only corpses, and a firetruck came in already.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-78727031923169123522014-05-24T13:19:32.010-07:002014-05-24T13:19:32.010-07:00I've read about two hours delay from some of o...I've read about two hours delay from some of our local news sites. I'll try to find the link.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-19824237133156845972014-05-24T13:13:13.820-07:002014-05-24T13:13:13.820-07:00I've watched a drive by video more thoroughly....I've watched a drive by video more thoroughly. You are right - the door is open when bus goes nearby. In the beginning of soldier's video you can see a massive explosion, before the helicopters came in. Other video of this place shows wreckage of APC without a turret. That's likely what ignited the van. Looks like door was closed by fireman's.<br />Commander says - ve were extinguishing one of the APCs. <br />Why they didn't move ammo truck away? It was already damaged or already on fire? I don't know.<br />Civilians a clearly seen in soldier's video, behind a truck.<br />White car appears in video for only two or three frames. Maybe it was moving to? But to the opposite side.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-59212847470287209732014-05-24T12:18:02.431-07:002014-05-24T12:18:02.431-07:00How do you know it was two hours? Where does this ...How do you know it was two hours? Where does this information come from?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-4825375656011856202014-05-24T12:05:42.155-07:002014-05-24T12:05:42.155-07:00For sure the backdoor of the van was open. I'l...For sure the backdoor of the van was open. I'll add a looped video to show it.<br />If a local citizen can park his car nearby and somebody can close the door of the green van... then why could they not extinguish the fire or at least drive the truck with ammo from there? <br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-10514619866925084442014-05-24T10:05:04.672-07:002014-05-24T10:05:04.672-07:00They're hiding due to the ammunitions explosio...They're hiding due to the ammunitions explosions in burning APC. About the van's door - i'm not quite sure it was open at all. This vans is usually entered through the side door. White car could be local citizen's, who stopped to help soldiers. Truck could caught a fire from nearby APC.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-7601200059440285002014-05-24T09:56:52.453-07:002014-05-24T09:56:52.453-07:00Yes. Soldiers thought it's either Russian, or ...Yes. Soldiers thought it's either Russian, or Ukranian one captured by terrorists. Soldier cries loud during the video - that's not ours helicopter! That's not ours! Later commander calls the headquarters to stop helicopter attacks. This situation shows bad coordination between ukrainian army units.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-53661728316371742272014-05-24T08:59:05.133-07:002014-05-24T08:59:05.133-07:00You are right there was indeed no checkpoint.
The...You are right there was indeed no checkpoint. <br />The soldiers only started to run when the helicopters started to fire. Maybe at that point they thought they were Russian. Still... they called their own air force to stop it?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-49860213594801440792014-05-24T08:56:21.770-07:002014-05-24T08:56:21.770-07:00Thanks for the great addition!
Two hours seems a ...Thanks for the great addition! <br />Two hours seems a lot. Why are most of them still hiding behind APC and truck in the field?<br />15 armed PrivatBank cars explains indeed how two similar ones could have been used.<br />Questions remain: who closed the door of the green van, where did the white car come from and go to and who set the truck on fire?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-66618771318329285812014-05-24T07:12:03.770-07:002014-05-24T07:12:03.770-07:00There were no checkpoint in there. This regiment w...There were no checkpoint in there. This regiment were planning to stay at Volnovakha, but locals didn't allow them. That's why they were forced to stay in a field for a night.<br />Actions of helicopters were out of sync with a ground troops. Soldiers thought it's a russian helicopter, so they started to run. Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-4769368623728374672014-05-24T07:03:53.070-07:002014-05-24T07:03:53.070-07:00Soldier's video was shot almost two hours afte...Soldier's video was shot almost two hours after the incident. Green van - is a stolen armored incashment car of PrivatBank - that's why it's painted green. Terrorist stealed 15 of them in Donetsk, two of the where used in this strike. One of them left on the field. <br />Helicopter pilot heard explosions from one of two burning APC-s. That's why he started to shoot - to support our troops.<br />Greetings from Ukraine.Андрей Шкираhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559470234024565150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-70986643147113575362014-05-23T20:28:16.644-07:002014-05-23T20:28:16.644-07:00Amazing work, and I agree the helicopters look lik...Amazing work, and I agree the helicopters look like they were firing at the green van, but if the rebels were still loading the green van, what were 20 or so soldiers doing in the field by the truck, standing around and squatting, and then jumping in fright when some ammo exploded? I don't think the rebels were still there, because the "a pack of chihuahuas" would have been cowering already.<br /><br />Maybe the helicopters thought the exploding ammo was aimed at them, and decided to fire back.<br /><br />And why was this "checkpoint" there at all? It doesn't seem to be of any strategic value.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-61568588631225476052014-05-23T13:35:38.205-07:002014-05-23T13:35:38.205-07:00Good work. But in this RT video (so I can't v...Good work. But in this RT video (so I can't vouch for the translation) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0UJXUw8WI&list=PLerVyT4rPv3Ti-RPtxg1Y_ha8RzO2hsD4&index=7 the commander says the reinforcement troops were "extinguishing [a] burning APC". Certainly at the start of the longer 8:05 video you link to, from which the RT one is edited from, it does not appear that the troops or civilians consider themselves under any sort of threat, until the APC ammo starts exploding (which is probably why RT cut it out).<br /><br />I think this video is taken some time after the attack - I think I have read it was just after dawn? - certainly giving enough time for the attackers to get away. But that just leaves more questions: why did the attackers not take the armour? and what happened to the green van after this video?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00653741898967664843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-2635852406714906812014-05-23T04:57:10.569-07:002014-05-23T04:57:10.569-07:00As can be seen in the video from the driver who wa...As can be seen in the video from the driver who was passing the scene, and as I explained above, he passed TWO cars, a green one and a white one.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-878495374613856552014-05-23T04:26:15.353-07:002014-05-23T04:26:15.353-07:00White van is a burned-out green van Privatbank?White van is a burned-out green van Privatbank?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06317988013567716234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-13210497035196993852014-05-23T03:48:29.016-07:002014-05-23T03:48:29.016-07:00Good propaganda man, I hope Achmetov will give you...Good propaganda man, I hope Achmetov will give you some grivnas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-9995786671857480792014-05-22T22:55:17.254-07:002014-05-22T22:55:17.254-07:00Holy shit man, bravo for finding this out with suc...Holy shit man, bravo for finding this out with such well-done analysis of the video. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07744663595757661447noreply@blogger.com