tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-66767225699212760542024-02-22T23:43:41.348-08:00Putin@war(formerly known as Ukraine@war)Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.comBlogger354125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-35206284684152002882016-07-17T10:26:00.001-07:002016-07-17T10:46:19.373-07:00How MH17 changed the Russian war in UkraineOn July 17th 2014 MH17 was downed by a BUK-M1 missile launched south of Snizhne. This happened in the middle of the war between Russia and Ukraine, that the Russian propaganda machine franticly tried and tries to portray as a civil war it has nothing to do with.<br />
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Ukraine has similarly franticly been blamed for the downing of MH17, by Russian propaganda, MOD and government alike. In the worst case the public opinion and MSM think it was 'an accident by inexperienced separatists who didn't know how to handle the BUK given to them and wrongly pushed the launch-button'.<br />
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In this blog I want to investigate what effect the MH17-downing had on the war. At what moment did it happen and how did it change the war?<br />
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<b>A brief summary of the war before MH17</b><br />
After 'Maidan' and the killing of the heavenly hundred, some sort of 'local uprising' began in the Eastern provinces of Ukraine, where a lot of ethnic Russians reside. There was a lot of violent provocation, defection, bribing, propaganda and you name it.<br />
The focus (or frontline) was on Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. But clashes where also in Mariupol, Donetsk, Luhansk, Horlivka and all the border crossings.<br />
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In response Ukraine started the Anti Terrorist Operation or ATO. After a troublesome and deadly start they managed to surround Sloviansk and liberate it together with Kramatorsk.<br />
In early July the Ukrainian army advanced all along the border up to Izvarino tot try to cut of and control the border with Russia, through which men, supplies and equipment poured into Ukraine.<br />
It looked like Ukraine was doing very well and might indeed be able to get the job done, although their troops were dangerously exposed and stretched along a long frontline.<br />
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At the level of Marinovka fierce battles happened all the time to try to cut off the Ukrainian border troops.<br />
A rich supply of MANPADs meant that a lot of Ukrainian aircrafts got shot down and Russia was delivering heavier AA equipment such as Strela-10 and later Panzir as well.<br />
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Yet, despite the problems it's Air FOrce and border troops where facing, the Ukrainian Army was on the winning hand.<br />
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Something had to be done to turn the tide and so Russia <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-first-russian-crossing-border.html" target="_blank">started to shell the Ukrainian border units from Russian soil</a>, but of course portrayed this as 'separatists artillery'. On July 16th <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html" target="_blank">videos emerged from Russian GRADs near Gukovo firing into Ukraine</a>. Russia could no longer hide its involvement if this would widely become known. The next day MH17 was shot down.<br />
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<b>MH17</b><br />
A Russian BUK was driven into Ukraine and it shot down a passenger plane. It looked like the separatists made a mistake, because they thought it was an AN-26 but it turned out to be a civilian plane.<br />
But the MH17-BUK was positioned very close to the Russian border and later it became clear that <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/03/one-soldiers-vk-album-gives-more-info.html" target="_blank">a Russian BUK battery was operational near the Ukrainian border</a>. They easily could have communicated with the MH17-BUK and given it data and instructions.<br />
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<b>The war after MH17</b><br />
Directly after MH17 Ukraine started their next phase and tried to surround Donetsk, Horlivka and Luhansk, the biggest cities in the area. But their border units got completely crushed by Russian artillery across the border and crossing the border. Still their was euphoria among the Ukrainian staff and volunteer units where ordered to advance to Ilovaisk and Shaktarsk.<br />
Also it looks like Ukraine tried to liberate and secure the MH17 crash site, so international investigation could be done, but they never succeeded in doing so.<br />
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The volunteer battalions got heavy resistance and this turned out to be because of large invasions from Russian into Ukraine. The first East of Marinovka, the second south of Ilovaisk and the third towards <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/06/google-earth-shows-russian-t-90s-near.html" target="_blank">Lugansk Airport</a>. Eventually this crushed and decimated the Ukrainian units there.<br />
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So after MH17 Ukraine was <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/08/ukraine-is-pushed-back-by-open-russian.html" target="_blank">dramatically loosing the war</a>.<br />
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Up till today Russia is still denying involvement, but two huge Russian operations changed the war:<br />
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<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vROcIMtpNBU" target="_blank">cross-border and crossing-border artillery</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=6676722569921276054#editor/target=post;postID=8422154469949880182;onPublishedMenu=template;onClosedMenu=template;postNum=7;src=postname" target="_blank">major invasions by the Russian Army</a></li>
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<b>Minsk</b></div>
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Minsk peace negotiations tried to stop the parties from fighting, but for Russia this was more part of their plan, to stop Ukraine to retaliate, fight back or attack in an unexpected area.</div>
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Thus Russia could concentrate their attack forces on grabbing <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/donetsk-airport-has-fallen.html" target="_blank">Donetsk Airport</a> and <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/02/debaltseve-has-fallen.html" target="_blank">Debaltseve</a> one by one.</div>
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<b>Turning point</b></div>
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The downing of #MH17 happened literally in the turning point of the war. Before the downing Ukraine was winning. After the downing Ukraine was loosing big time.</div>
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But what is the connection?</div>
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<b>Distraction</b></div>
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When Russia took Crimea, the whole world was looking their trying to figure out what was happening with these unidentified little green man claiming to be 'self-defence'. When it started to turn out these were Russian soldiers and thus Russia was taking over Crimea... MH370 got lost over the ocean.<br />
All the attention of the world turned away from Crimea towards the search for MH370. Putin could easily finish the job without getting disturbed.</div>
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The downing of MH370 was an operation of 'military precision'. People EXACTLY had to know what they were doing (such as turning off the transponder) in order to have MH370 get lost.</div>
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Whether you want to believe <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/07/russia-hijacked-mh370-and-made-it.html" target="_blank">MH370 was an accident or a deliberate Russian operation</a>, it for sure was a distraction to the Crimea invasion anyway.</div>
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With the world looking at Donbass and becoming aware of the Russian involvement a distraction was needed. And there were two. The downing of MH17 was a distraction for the cross-border artillery attacks and the White Truck Charade at Russian Donetsk was a distraction for the invasion East of Marinovka and later Ilovaisk.</div>
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<b>A Russian Operation</b></div>
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As a distraction for the cross-border shellings, MH17 was a Russian operation the separatists did not need to be aware of. Why would Russia tell 'local warlords' or even it's own military personnel working there what exactly it's mission was? Even Russian soldiers invading Ukraine were told they were going on an exercise. Downing a civilian plane is a secret mission as little people as possible need to know details of. Not even the Russian crew in the BUK needed to know the exact purpose of their mission. All they had to do was to connect and communicate with <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/05/newly-published-satellite-images-show.html" target="_blank">the Russian BUK battery near Kuybyshevo</a> and follow orders. And furthermore tell everybody an AN26 was downed and get out of there asap.</div>
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<b>Conclusion</b></div>
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The downing of MH17 happened in the middle of the turning point of the war. Before MH17 Ukraine was winning, after they were loosing.</div>
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The MH17 BUK was able to (and therefore must have) connect(ed) with the Russian BUKs. The crew could have gotten data and instructions from their colleagues and superiors within Russia.</div>
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The effect of the MH17 downing was that Ukraine's air force got paralyzed and nobody was interested to learn about Russia's cross-border shellings.</div>
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As such Russia had a perfect motive to have committed this crime.</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-8903332350808023752016-06-10T07:56:00.001-07:002016-06-10T08:10:02.393-07:00Google Earth shows Russian T-90s near Lugansk AirportIt has been a long debate whether Russian T-90s were involved in the battle for Lugansk Airport. But by now we can be sure they did.<br />
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<b>First T-90 sighting</b><br />
It started with <a href="https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-t-90-tanks-136th-motorized-rifle-brigade-luhansk-region/" target="_blank">this article</a> from Inform Napalm.<br />
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This photo (unfortunately) has never been able to be geolocated anywhere:<br />
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But these photos from the same soldier were:<br />
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<img border="0" height="534" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYMNhvzbW6fw8gp5EgcjUakqFB2OYGO7vNunMVFSlA72egvOmMmY-JWueSAOkgkx_YlhjAFUSZ-C06I4SIkfymNPEpfM0f5nyyXCJFR5pE7HwTfrM5-DtJM2oHZooXQkso1IyP5zAYe01I/s640/second-photo.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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In <a href="http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/3367.html" target="_blank">this article from sled_vzayt</a> it was geolocated like this:<br />
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The photo was taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhubtxKB9y3PKeDT8_gwyaR1fO0cgx85zF9CXDvfK2Qa25NjaVZWHcOMWVYEU_UQTddPJGSBcJ1_DLAq8ZaKbnbEA3yUAHeO7AEGoNinaXooMIQW-T6XozTfFoIvlf4vn6tDpw4Hnta7ddC/s640/T-90+1.JPG" /><br />
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On the Octobre 3rd satellite image tracks can be seen (red arrows) that can not be seen on the August 31st image:<br />
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It means these tanks passed this location AFTER August 31st.<br />
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The question is: is it a T-90 too or not?<br />
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User sled_vzayt shows with some excellent pictures that the item in front of the photo is an T-90 ammo box:</div>
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That same type of ammo box can be seen on other photos of T-90s thought to have been sent into Ukraine:</div>
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Notice the green paint on the boxes, but also note the patterns of the paint are not the same and thus these are not the same T-90s.</div>
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<b>T-90 convoy driving in Ukraine towards Lugansk</b></div>
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Another group of photos on that blog shows a convoy of T-90s driving towards Lugansk, Ukraine:</div>
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYUR5kdTIqvomgkWzREjcj-BcLRXMSD8Kf9PcbHkFEYw-S6e1hOZsKH4k3kU7AZ7FBGlmFwIDlpSYIPVUJ-7Ps2c-D0Di1GdY1AG8TETozW3aKKeXq3iFOEUMaAGluhvH3Tl5hW62oWcx3/s640/150725_original.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<b>T-90 near Lugansk Airport</b></div>
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A third sighting of T-90 in Ukraine is reported by <a href="http://www.interpretermag.com/day-820/" target="_blank">Interpreter magazine</a>, with these photos from the same social media account:</div>
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That last photo #3 has been geolocated in front of and on the road to Lugansk Airport:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoHzNIUWgELZmNbXF8ihi2b8iP7w0vx_ACLzJgnTAZaQtR6sH9Ehn6QH1VN8JN4NeWi9xTIHLbu_-lzvMhRoRiYi-bW5NFBuZIKpxtIdjMU03TFDqRIBKnQI5V8FLQX24cQumjLFz5RHVs/s640/T-90+3.JPG" /><br />
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Note the road leading to the left in the third photo, what means the position must be as indicated.</div>
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The T-90 photo should be somewhere out there too.</div>
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Note that the sun/light comes from (slightly left of) the side of the cameraman. This means the T-90 must be at the southern side of a tree line.</div>
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That treeline seems to be a single line, not a forest.</div>
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Also note that the ground on the right side of the photo is burned.</div>
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The most likely spot is somewhere around here:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvRugQQLXlCYM1FOQiRaxBebt6ZOd9Gzje6XQnG3VdY1sFDaMbezQGfs9zlEMdWblHNgOrQphQ0u8tpwLpDRfoK4sQT4GPSSrSfS4sajvamjEtTxvZJfo4aiVm9laxkmYuZAu184uS9RVG/s640/T-90+4.JPG" /><br />
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The Feb 23rd 2015 satellite image shows dozens of tracks leading to and from that area:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3E5AxwlW21gaMaGIveRidHjEc6qc5OoPYEGFP6kByRxySJAmC_uNlbQqx7owt2RVnnzVSx_3hieCfdBATMbNI2UctBYhU1fuaXvu4dzteJKeNhH0IcR7KEslqB35c7w-UxEUqKhfzrUAZ/s640/T-90+5.JPG" /><br />
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It means we have these three locations (orange ellipses) where T-90s have been spotted:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiStXpoQMePA2YShhCGWHydGxmWOlWRRlwCgGNcsXLyjqhb2I65pN6uzM28S-_2Bjk-4Q5BTfvujDYXxhgLB7Uw1h3pbpyytXn93nUsuO0Fyst4rFRKiw3twQF06ws_n-IHsYISKA4zxH_W/s640/t-90+6.JPG" /><br />
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When we compare the green paint patterns on the ammo-boxes, we see this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjt8-_Tuw2haeyk8bc6ddf6xvFNMeXEXv3arkrLg2ZQGcX92ZdFimuEzaLcRhgO3dBbBUkUGomjvYKe3LSAKB9YoECSyD79hPCL87ijvsd62uPY0kkPXQjB73gszOy2xdmH-IvVAQCWWszo/s640/t-90+7.JPG" /><br />
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The patterns are very different, but the pattern on the upper ammo box (from the 'ammo box photo' near the Lugansk traffic sign) matches with the pattern of the first out of four others (from the Lugansk Airport photo).</div>
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This is more proof that the 'ammo box photo' indeed is a T-90. But, assuming the 'ammo box T-90' also travelled in the convoy, it also shows from which directing it might have come (East).</div>
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<b>Google Earth shows T-90s</b></div>
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Remember that the August 31st satellite image shows AN ACTUAL BATTLE for Lugansk Airport going on? See <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/google-earth-shows-attack-of-russian.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>.</div>
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It means the T-90s must be out there somewhere...!</div>
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It just happened to be so that I missed out on one position in that blog :-(. </div>
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We can start at the known 'ammo box photo' position. On the 31st the T-90s had not reached that position yet, because the tracks only appear on a later date. We know the convoy was seen in the East. So the T-90s most likely came from... the East :P. And East of that position is a small village called Ternove.</div>
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This is how Ternove looks like on August 31st:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjyo-lQS3UlCzgL4tOLZEpWOsAOg3pOM4opCcrctbVneffbmk05LWT1lkmj3mJaVHlwhweQRxegm48YpUhn0Tjs6Xuf8rzVd5F_5owF4FxGyKtbwileCZmouk8pTMj1q_TMWAUAVQm3lY2f/s640/T-90+9.JPG" /><br />
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There is lot's of armor there (red circles)! BMPs, trucks, BTRs, maybe BMDs.</div>
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But there are also a couple of big fat tanks (yellow circles). It's simple: those must be the T-90s.</div>
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The two on the bottom have a truck next to them, so they seem to get new supplies.</div>
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There is a good reason why Russia deployed T-90s against Ukraine near Lugansk airport. Ukraine had sent it's best tanks there too: the T-64 Bulat.</div>
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This seems to be the approximate route the T-90s had traveled:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRSPIXfUuEaM_RrUAzMXV9r03YS7PWAp_4Fmmu_VLLPsFhoHKkk85sY8neL0HdJFIbSic9RZquI6elfiplMHf0oTict4Tqyep6f7GlhUvbesrLxnJGx9sU2tEBlYZ1eK0cDpW4TDQTjYex/s640/T-90+10.JPG" /><br />
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Either the red route, or even the orange one.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-58748167404093192572016-05-13T16:04:00.000-07:002016-05-28T13:31:13.387-07:00Newly published satellite images show Russian BUK battery East of Kuybyshevo was operational before July 20th 2014New Google Earth maps reveal that the Russian BUK-battery East of Kuybyshevo was already operational during July 2014.<br />
That means the BUK that shot down MH17 could have communicated with the ones on Russian soil.<br />
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<a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/03/one-soldiers-vk-album-gives-more-info.html" target="_blank">Here is an earlier publication of this BUK-battery</a>, so we can be sure it was there.<br />
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Up till now we only had satellite image from 2013 and then September 4th 2014. Now images of 29-6, 2-7, 20-7 and 4-8 have been added.<br />
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What has been done to create the images in this blog is to trace every unique track and position on every subsequent satellite image where it FIRST appears. If it's also on the next map, it is further ignored, although it doesn't mean it hasn't been also used on that date. Also commonly used tracks and roads are ignored.<br />
By using this method, we can see unique activity that must have happened before any specific satellite date.<br />
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<b>Legend</b><br />
Red lines = unique tracks<br />
Red areas = areas where vehicles can be seen<br />
Orange areas = areas where multiple tracks can be seen, likely indicating a deployment position<br />
Green areas = tracks into/from treelines indicating (abandoned) campsites.<br />
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<b>29-6</b><br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhllUg3ULnV-48rHfOw7H7eLwUW1vRSpBRAvx8vynqN5NfFGsWK2oKKq3dN0xE8xMs-4_UXKolBOK0aDGR1eeRlq5i85odYMNhk-_z02ptlQPZNpZCPZwfefdD6mwkL2HQksKMJTV0MhN8u/s1600/BUK+new+1.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhllUg3ULnV-48rHfOw7H7eLwUW1vRSpBRAvx8vynqN5NfFGsWK2oKKq3dN0xE8xMs-4_UXKolBOK0aDGR1eeRlq5i85odYMNhk-_z02ptlQPZNpZCPZwfefdD6mwkL2HQksKMJTV0MhN8u/s640/BUK+new+1.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Not much can be seen, but there are two noticeable areas. The first is at the known BUK-team position (green area), where they had a kitchen and dug-in trenches.<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFp2UQDpir6RFixYGDfmg0dS8QArxOXKJ_c1RCppHr4A16FhCOOFQhkcDcap3r_F25sOnMgaHQdqx-V9fRa3Djvz6TkmCbOqo3pLE3UqizS5egGRHU82Ycr4MNRf6m_5TS8BnN_-lTtA1E/s1600/BUK+new+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFp2UQDpir6RFixYGDfmg0dS8QArxOXKJ_c1RCppHr4A16FhCOOFQhkcDcap3r_F25sOnMgaHQdqx-V9fRa3Djvz6TkmCbOqo3pLE3UqizS5egGRHU82Ycr4MNRf6m_5TS8BnN_-lTtA1E/s640/BUK+new+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Electricity poles run from left to right on the image above and there are tracks leading to/from these poles. So it is very well possible that on June 29th a team was already there making preparations, or already positioned and waiting.<br />
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The other suspicious area is this one:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtHOrtr1ZnJ9UMUZT8hkXccfYQ6hg3xqgfTmlL4QSuIJp_ItQ_zDSS6xEO5X0au6yPIWMlKb6GrctgHd6_C9N5fCsmpfqKFtCsvn8oEKREWVzGXz1s-JzSRXDl8ak3x6krMY4_noNQ5SCH/s1600/BUK+new+3.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtHOrtr1ZnJ9UMUZT8hkXccfYQ6hg3xqgfTmlL4QSuIJp_ItQ_zDSS6xEO5X0au6yPIWMlKb6GrctgHd6_C9N5fCsmpfqKFtCsvn8oEKREWVzGXz1s-JzSRXDl8ak3x6krMY4_noNQ5SCH/s640/BUK+new+3.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Clearly tracks can be seen of a heavy machine manoeuvring in the corn. Because of the corn the tracks are obscured, but they are still so profound that they are still visible.</div>
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Farmers don't damage their own corn like that. Military vehicles do.<br />
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<b>2-7</b><br />
On the July 2nd image only a rare new track can be seen in the north:</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJgZeNeyN30Zvnjyu1EBd3P5KVeF48VIsnSdE4KQZ5pTbo_mPbvz8dG-afdZpDofILtLhoMwPASKixSVw9KCvewZFP1DR9qn2MRdir6hFR3m0VyHqz24o12hQT0kYwcIhiEj4c4v195iWQ/s1600/BUK+new+4.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJgZeNeyN30Zvnjyu1EBd3P5KVeF48VIsnSdE4KQZ5pTbo_mPbvz8dG-afdZpDofILtLhoMwPASKixSVw9KCvewZFP1DR9qn2MRdir6hFR3m0VyHqz24o12hQT0kYwcIhiEj4c4v195iWQ/s640/BUK+new+4.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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For the rest there is not happening anything.</div>
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<b>20-7</b><br />
On the July 20th map (2 days after MH17 was shot down), several new tracks can be seen:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4SNng1CWwzDXBa59sxWKX4fOg1XPdLoCItx5k_oR41FhoC-ADy44-bpiyML1fyDGRbgMSoTUHr71odPzOhkneOo_A-EfJ2NRPmwJYzGBDbdTNM5NbIfKFF-l1d6G3T-v10stvZHz4XGEZ/s1600/BUK+new+5.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4SNng1CWwzDXBa59sxWKX4fOg1XPdLoCItx5k_oR41FhoC-ADy44-bpiyML1fyDGRbgMSoTUHr71odPzOhkneOo_A-EfJ2NRPmwJYzGBDbdTNM5NbIfKFF-l1d6G3T-v10stvZHz4XGEZ/s640/BUK+new+5.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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There is a big one leading to the trenched position (green). And there are several tracks (red lines) and positions with multiple tracks and turns (orange areas). </div>
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Note that the July 20th map ends at 1/3 of the bottom. It's only the darker area. The lighter bottom part is from the July 2nd image. That's why the red track leading to/from the trenches can not be traced further down.</div>
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The orange area at the right looks like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjqLC0vG4f8Lfsmt6Fcwu8851ePZk82qbhgHZmfKmnTdHaTEQxc3PHB92VbXmWte6WVB8RAqj5MW79Kenrlvy_BlACaCHzF3E2UmgzSa1PjVc1D8TocZ-3Mdts5bEPjdciefcOtda0vDr0/s640/BUK+new+10.JPG" /><br />
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We can clearly see vehicle tracks arriving and leaving the area again, as well as positions where they must have been deployed and operated. It is possible that multiple vehicles where deployed here at the same time, or that one or more visited the same spot again on another day and a little bit further from the previous position.</div>
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This is the middle orange area/position:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxrW8gKr1HQb6qLprFkOmEW8_SSzSLAeELkKSpQ9MtIs_2WEY5ef55oDwQ34w-TrezQFxVh4K8JdAbKVgRUj-i33bShr5uIHh0qDI5uLKSX_2Kgpkg8_Yv0MXx2WKnFb_1qCW9JArFJ7A8/s640/BUK+new+11.JPG" /><br />
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In the upper side we can see one position similar to the four we saw in the previous area. This is an indication that only one vehicle caused all these different tracks on different days.</div>
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This is the left orange area:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1Ysfx2IMqNtqRZSusxXE60xZ4o9o2ccGOkd8SCek-uQelHvTiM_5IEo9jpsXiyOvixvvkAZmEi7kOcuk8ckWGpiAWvcTpoDg-ewX-TL4XlW2s7OcQPBfXZVvYIAGJpTctnbuFiC3XM5Nm/s640/BUK+new+12.JPG" /><br />
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Not much can be seen, because it is covered with layers of mist/clouds. Only one small part of a track can be seen, along the red line in the area.</div>
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The August 2nd image shows all the tracks:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgq8lnFXXEDZkNJc0eyiREeAWA6Hc604mMpXEI5wBDog9ByY_AJotPoUMuA9vzgrTi9Lr_u1j41BWSbbrx0q4UEadqhZgf25SPkscWzu0H3p-tjBVRPwHcRhs9dVBzT8Inql7Fs5pdEO5o4/s640/BUK+new+13.JPG" /><br />
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Because part of the tracks where already visible on the July 20th image, all of them must have been made on the 20th of July.</div>
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They just look like tracks, although it can not be 100% excluded that it was a deployment area. Either way it shows their was activity here.</div>
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These tracks and positions are a clear indication that the BUK-battery was fully operational before July 20th.</div>
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<b>2-8</b><br />
In the two weeks up to August 2nd some more activity can be seen: </div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEguhNDiN0PXT8UjxFOwOBgZud7i6XT1hux9N-hGEZVquVJFw7-GdC3KNiqxtCfyz166bPXZ66QOmnm_RB5MCY7x2nFI9Bn4v1LpZmhLsTk9bypc1oPHIAuwj3s2CBzLlznSYrit7qxe99sI/s640/BUK+new+6.JPG" /><br />
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Very close to the upper right area on the July 20th image some more similar activity can be seen:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjF49vgL2h-1wsjOA8KkDqefDznoTo56XdzQOqP2t7vCbVp6TAeCIcsnTwPQRLumvJNaLnZMdXf8FKqGEtvd2wOfr6Rci3L7dRtmB8H67rlQXicj7HkihbeShvk59k_gDqhcJSjqJ7pYNQF/s640/BUK+new+14.JPG" /><br />
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The upper left positions look like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitkXnGATPn3JidNIUROs5Zh9ynUmrtIETMqZ5hpCZNlX1OvglMOr2tXwP1TGlYbM1fsrMrqaGDfiApjYa_k_YC0Pr6joJMco0fDOqH_1UbalfgGVS8_Bi07jEdebO67gJFAXJvHHhjOrD7/s640/BUK+new+15.JPG" /><br />
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Clear positioning and manoeuvring can be observed, but not necessarily by multiple vehicle on one day. <br />
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In the south of the area there has been activity too:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirvZ9Pfq3-eKJ9QU2Jc4SNiCTSsAcpndalVnN-_gVsuWdryDkASqlL4E2i0QpPf874-m6y4ZhV0vBOmkkZVGYK7tD2P5PFvYTsAMdDt5gKMJ3x9Imh51w1bl7yo62T0RPXv_WalPDyRx4z/s640/BUK+new+22.JPG" /><br />
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Since the July 20th image did not include this area, it might as well have been from an earlier date then July 20th. It's unclear what exactly happened here.<br />
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<b>4-9</b><br />
Up to September 4th their has been a lot of activity North, in the middle and in the East near the lake:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLFCMBu2XQxnGzNminft4kbtXQ3N911W5tv_6yFHoyTTMoq3I5SRUG7uK2d1qn99W1lraZInscLaXw8hHvQpU4iphWE_UKQUEssAfl1ua0r3EXU1hOktqsenDfSLV_iTYTG0xUSWCJPBBg/s1600/BUK+new+7.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLFCMBu2XQxnGzNminft4kbtXQ3N911W5tv_6yFHoyTTMoq3I5SRUG7uK2d1qn99W1lraZInscLaXw8hHvQpU4iphWE_UKQUEssAfl1ua0r3EXU1hOktqsenDfSLV_iTYTG0xUSWCJPBBg/s640/BUK+new+7.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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During August major Russian invasions and offensives took place in Ukraine, so a lot of activity is logical.<br />
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The upper red area shows very intensive use (image enhanced):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqQbZem7cluymiVsePeaqT7dNgGjQa7cQlzTPzE02RW_keh2Cwqp3lGsY8kKvdNJMRGvjZzZbC1rZjEY3tvuIkw-4xNcMNHJWM2szLUx_LJ5Yrh_22DcGmS1SBmC_bSHHQ0CL100VDjbPS/s640/BUK+new+16.JPG" /><br />
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As well as some objects/vehicles (yellow circles).<br />
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In the middle there is a red area that looks like this (enhanced image):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgN5D7HHx3nCNPlqc9yG_5fs6l_eJTNwq1J_Vjzhe4dC_DWBYEm9BvsTbWNK1L1BuzRg0XaLjMnuB-ga2_hmdZc2-gXsXTOGBUdukuytTYS2xFauVr7dgIpGGc796mbdud1gXXBCK_CH1_y/s640/BUK+new+17.JPG" /><br />
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It is also intensively used and for the first time vehicles can be seen (yellow circles). The upper one near the blue vehicle icon seems to show BUK vehicles, but the usual white tips of the missiles can't be seen:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7Aa2CaNe45wInzCoCQVE3QMfKaa7DXkUyLLpMrwMzGzTXqXv351aY_Fm8xXq9u6R179w_tn7qDoYexozk4fwy-1lgOowRfzK_UnqwlnOq1OdFAUC7b3utEiwI2G0AiqGp7HHdELxuJrBu/s640/BUK+new+18.JPG" /><br />
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Near the lake in the East several trucks can be seen at a campsite in the trees:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLq5wBrzWyqUarSzczCMY6oEMvSG_FPlOanvwWW3-U9HTksEqE5QSFGYaQ4wJB8Yf2bKjHY95jyYifat6EtnY4dmXo8sNFDoF1cWhdv7A0nCMESYDga9tYqr4wbhHOWBtJKnq9Z6PbvNH3/s640/BUK+new+23.JPG" /><br />
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Most likely this is a basecamp for some GRAD launcher company, since North of it several GRAD launch sites with burn marks can be seen as well as a lots of tracks leading up further North:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnJfCAwBGo45EzK7ssX-4jQOiIzko8_75WRnmL2hdNcpK-nJuA9h7kYXMgbQvCXnjNwk3ozljk4epcfb39RXJKvDuaGMP4B_e51Bd6bXHei3Lviq8JlQVvYmWppUi1-WNjMovYFnHBFKlv/s640/BUK+new+24.JPG" /><br />
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The American ambassador to Ukraine <a href="https://twitter.com/GeoffPyatt">@GeoffPyatt</a> tweeted about one of these launch sites:<br />
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Удари реактивних систем залпового вогню на території України (25/26 липня) <a href="http://t.co/JewexXUGOz">pic.twitter.com/JewexXUGOz</a></div>
— Geoffrey Pyatt (@GeoffPyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/GeoffPyatt/status/493411896222302208">July 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Therefor it seems very unlikely that these tracks North of the road and the lake-camp have anything to do with the BUK battery.<br />
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<b>14-9</b><br />
The activities in the area can be separated into the northern part and southern part:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP0WZr6NkJg3nnrRYneWvlWXGY8I1vBgd-aYRznshegpONgNQILUgW4Q_UFDNDgonsccdISAJN0wqIkpeuWfOq-ZCM5A8jz39N_2KxuK38yzjUdPc31vNQlT6PZg5Z_asR8miRwKDr4R2f/s1600/BUK+new+8.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP0WZr6NkJg3nnrRYneWvlWXGY8I1vBgd-aYRznshegpONgNQILUgW4Q_UFDNDgonsccdISAJN0wqIkpeuWfOq-ZCM5A8jz39N_2KxuK38yzjUdPc31vNQlT6PZg5Z_asR8miRwKDr4R2f/s640/BUK+new+8.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Up north it looks like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMx0_19AZMJBWG_qUVaR177fh4DBGU11CFF4uHK7spzHFJPUHwp6CrQHbT0KOxzrJ0YcLIRkRLqFLp3Mt5kLV3WVVThRJAY_ViIFERZ6ZsikbAV2lJrV6xeygWl-L4GVHJmFv6rJ795qXo/s640/BUK+new+19.JPG" /><br />
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Tents and vehicles can be seen.<br />
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A little bit westward some very typical lined up positions can be seen as well as a single truck in the field:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgrhxzemUkGYFkGUKhMYieDMJ1wESyX41d-LHoZZYBBrSzkBvlGDffsqo0LxxXFZb17KtLUgHo9vFFy0GZ0VZBlEJ8sbPnJS62FZeGigIZ0ZlxChUL_nmYPG6_FZvHHZAoCyJ8F_DBnzUyl/s640/BUK+new+20.JPG" /><br />
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In the South something big is going on:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSJqHLZ9CI3ynbKS2DjWGjp1nb9aRPtM2CPlft1Q_y3lUWF3LEzx8Ft_qruUWdk-3yJouml2fgXXXWUOhscBxhYvKYgFdKyUrHIUQGa9_fM6xT5ETQeszDqtdJB-Tjtf1chrUpqvYed04R/s640/BUK+new+25.JPG" /><br />
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Up to nine very long trucks can be seen hidden between the trees. In the other red areas, tents and more vehicles can be seen:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtmu3iYNjANIBGGT2l4UW9HCk531vS4Que-JWFEL1SHiMpHpNbkdvvW_ilKA_alTrNQ0YmC98jBc9QFGCyTrYkqcQM31F-6YiHg5EiRo8tq213bBoxYIiFwsMDwN3pSTdj9G4pHpmbWSWg/s640/BUK+new+26.JPG" /><br />
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<b>6-10-2014</b><br />
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Strangely enough all the activity in the south ceased to exist by October 6th except for some tracks:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvxxC-i-Wip32xamsTIWOhIbjaLGn2SUPrzaFsF24EfYRi4eykmlpeMhlAocY2j3ghg-mGmEPSyHeArUWyukn2LyDDUMRQaNZtJj_d6cGV97WNifef2swPijKmzcR4Se-6Tx0Y3Ote7Pjt/s640/BUK+new+21.JPG" /><br />
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In the middle area a lot of white and other small trucks can be seen:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4mVj0-yc4qpKO605RqCyM-BuRvrS2rBZw-zBBoJvAk_a7GyhvH0kEKZrdSnhSaJnNbPHBpWbtvpsgMJNFuM3e_LUqLMVaLVAfho3outrBK09B2E6SWMfv1NoesnN02h4eUxmASShuUy4W/s640/BUK+new+27.JPG" /><br />
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In the upper area the whole battery of BUKs can be seen lined up:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhcnq16khSHLj-8HSk4eJ-kIZS27RcizPgz9DfweTWXyCZ_zXlS3uQIGLHoVSHuTd4PfjwjYK8CCb4SOB78tfBLhcIXLH7jX0oz-iQIS5HXKJYWVzAqNxgvHI01xKd6-mS-uXpBLY6QP6zD/s640/BUK+new+28.JPG" /><br />
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Here the white tips from the missiles CAN be seen.<br />
With this particular line up it seems likely that the strange patterns on the 14-9 image nearby are also from these BUKs parked in the field.<br />
Why they do this..., I have no idea. As if they WANTED satellites to capture them :P.<br />
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<b>22-2-15</b><br />
On the Febr 22th 2015 image a VERY LARGE camp can be seen South:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5i0WR1qB1yuq-tbURmJBQFMrHiFYC-hDTREWC0Yj0txfYmHByqURNkQSx1W0nrzGR_NL8i0Lrwa2I2lDbK9qzkzeKXKYudX2apBmhBaJTDgMXYxgfE1dTorxjZF_xEXQtJaJqCEzwHc2Y/s640/BUK+new+9.JPG" /></div>
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Just a part of it:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjeh68yRs32U-9aP0gfOWa-3IGeJesMMrWfemd62RjEmG0V2Yt8zwHIDRHm6JTzyjn1AkKbNd8ru63bAGJrNYmD7HXtOtr8fSY5apcSE0Xxi9V6RH_u3GmU-fxI6ProjR64fQnz0M6_q0Pu/s640/BUK+new+29.JPG" /><br />
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The timing of this camp is during the Debaltseve offensive. That started by the end of January and lasted until February 18th. So it looks like this camp existed to support this offensive.<br />
The green areas show activity, but no vehicles can be seen anymore. These vehicles therefore most likely had been sent to Debaltseve in the previous weeks. </div>
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The middle area had a significant upgrade (image enhanced):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjX1bGmFNr6tAChvakrsECwf9Va8mbA8OmXbhja0mVpnSYXvLTwESa5ZSOkJBzOYAea1TyAxtSAjIDNlrpVrMShgIw339JBmjt0_vj8lQXFVLtj97dS8R8cbX8XVs62FVWL2-O8mCNeTXio/s640/BUK+new+31.JPG" /><br />
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But it is hard to tell if the BUKs are really there. The vehicles in the upper part more resemble MLRS than a BUK:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieqSGmhA0wYCjAZW5sfG-3d-RsiScuby1HaMtlDnhrTN5BsKl1FcjqRZ56ck6LygefQfYQg4ZP-pAnSecTFw6Ugkdu8iRVNJP5M5AuJoGLvOJEoB2mxPN_VfPg8Fes2KJteKZ1mJ-lzK81/s640/BUK+new+32.JPG" /><br />
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The northern area seems abandoned.</div>
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<b>Conclusions</b></div>
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When we draw all the activity in one map, we see this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoajavyUOMNg_Otc80u7IW23fl8NHYhWKFjwxQd-6335q04bpoOJv62N2UhS3plE31Y3AIuEc3BiGPLgWy979zNaH8DeiNNuZbybqG8P1sTljCCQhdlEGZOjn2YUjDXABgBEZRv2VoJeH5/s640/BUK+new+33.JPG" /><br />
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<div>
The Area of Operation for the BUK-battalion is within the yellow ellipse with a concentration in the light blue ellipse.</div>
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The large blue ellipse is more than once used as a camping ground. It seems by february 2015 to also have included or merged with the smaller blue area. Whether the BUK-battery was still operational by that time is unclear, but there is a good chance it relocated or even stopped.</div>
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The July 20th activity TOTALLY falls within the narrower Area of Operation of the BUK battery (light blue ellipse):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRFWFgI-_E84tSA0gNhQ77LcWdAMxC2oLuMl3nAQN-UZqT2S-lRq9Fy7w479JKU1drqqYcRutClmOmL06FZwXvtpUEv2s3pM8XsApJNx7NsfPL84ZVxyMRyBy0HaLwUyLs_wDVsRGWxD_l/s640/BUK+new+34.JPG" /><br />
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Therefore we should conclude that these tracks are also made by the same BUK battery.</div>
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Tracks visible on a July 20th satellite image are made PRIOR to that date. They had been made anywhere between June 29th and July 20th.</div>
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It is safe to assume that the BUK battery was already there and operational on the fatal July 17th.</div>
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That means it was on 25 kms distance of the BUK launch site that brought down MH17. An ideal distance to setup communications with the BUKs on Russian soil.</div>
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Most likely this Russian BUK battery communicated with the MH17-BUK and got it's data and final instruction from Russians commanders within Russia territory themselves.</div>
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<b>Epilogue</b></div>
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Right from the start after MH17 was taken down, I said there must have been a Russian BUK battery South of Marinovka.<br />
Then I found positions West of Kuybyshevo with radars.<br />
Then images of BUKs East of Kuybyshevo appeared posted on VK.<br />
Then satellite images appeared showing BUKs parked in a row for all to see.<br />
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The sceptical, truthers and trolls kept arguing on and on.<br />
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Now I have found (with a little help from Google and such) evidence the battery was indeed operational during that fatal day.<br />
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The crash of MH17 was not a coincidence...</div>
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<b>UPDATE</b><br />
Now there are also a 16-7 and 23-7 map of the area in Google Earth.<br />
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The 16-7 map confirms what we already thought. That the southern activity was not from after 20-7, but before:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6t3GyOGdUZpJVgDf0RAx6O0aIc7G66hsQ5vMhVVlwlhBm16KdiPzfusWOfxmNRY4Th3acVW8mLRXWvl3myBakPQTrL9YzgMnDdcSezZDXIF8OSR8PCCr1zVt-hiWfxcWlh6NdVjcOrYTC/s640/Kuybushevo+BUK+3.jpg" /><br />
The inset on the bottom right might actually be a BUK (with the white tips of the missiles merged together):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5-FlNY3BH0DZjHQC6R_V21eex492H2X0kRtUpNlOOBZ7NGzS7LjiXqjGfBj4d5kuBZZmvlFnLnb5Nm4ANhujuGchwPRrrobAMfq6AQmANisv5j1LJbVTigYL4sFRjBjHgmzsSs1P4ZbkB/s640/Kuybushevo+BUK.jpg" /><br />
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The activity in the northern area can not be observed on the 16-7 map. And thus this activity has been taken place between 16-7 and 20-7:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhS_zZIuYklIQNGuJmbr-hnk5QwvMOMrRRJqNP8buhXmDUIAfcfC9dOzySpgk0Tw-nuygKbvdFKL1FEmamFnoTbFkhEdoNZjDDhu57FbE6vYoCQ6df6wstQZuYmege7a-e0HaF4d35rOciv/s640/Kuybushevo+BUK+4.jpg" width="640" /><br /></div>
Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-69574019841353478382016-04-22T16:30:00.001-07:002016-06-04T12:36:45.839-07:00More Russian Invasion Hubs of Golovinka-size, but spread-outThere are more Russian Invasion Hubs than the one near Rostov and Golovinka.<br />
Most Russian military camps near the Ukrainian border have been noticed. But between the Golovinka camp and the Ukrainian border are ate least another 15 spread out camps that together have a similar size as the Golovinka camp.<br />
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Here is a map containing them all:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjzqBl2EetTnfEu-Bayu5P01bEvE-O3-Q3NoU9dSxhXFRfAG_AwYg9jkbFUwUyjBLGT0a6ARqvInNgUUC6LzxITeAuJWI-0X-O8bugp-4p2ZnKGVi5GvzaLclsThXr1eWKtKPIiaS4cEQQY/s640/Ryasnoye+0.JPG" /><br />
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We'll have a look at each of them.<br />
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<b>#1</b><br />
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXklNCfUsaYZmh7Txaus7kmzlWTj2NwhHzEFElXvUjFoMmEx49OlS48AAhWeq-lREsQF9AcEO5A4RSIs0KGMoWN15ED01F2Hfx_KdZRZ-NrWg5AsFXasDx2Oq3R0LMbvzyVI_AdkVQ4cGc/s1600/Ryasnoye+1a.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXklNCfUsaYZmh7Txaus7kmzlWTj2NwhHzEFElXvUjFoMmEx49OlS48AAhWeq-lREsQF9AcEO5A4RSIs0KGMoWN15ED01F2Hfx_KdZRZ-NrWg5AsFXasDx2Oq3R0LMbvzyVI_AdkVQ4cGc/s640/Ryasnoye+1a.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Formations tanks can be seen, as well as a convoy with towed guns just arriving at the camp. A lot of tents are present.<br />
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<b>#2</b><br />
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjt77dqcqVLglwzr06hFkxO8kgcKEs3iQ35XHQq7VdDQ6TrvreixssKy7xZOmFGHIU9isqLzMFeaIZtj_lW-GuaBG8Tk2KvZX_vjAZdvtOvvfR0_6mJuw4dL2tYLIXabVfr_wRhWmnhDUS8/s1600/Ryasnoye+1.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjt77dqcqVLglwzr06hFkxO8kgcKEs3iQ35XHQq7VdDQ6TrvreixssKy7xZOmFGHIU9isqLzMFeaIZtj_lW-GuaBG8Tk2KvZX_vjAZdvtOvvfR0_6mJuw4dL2tYLIXabVfr_wRhWmnhDUS8/s640/Ryasnoye+1.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Lots of vehicles.<br />
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<b>#3</b><br />
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6SP3JgN_XGfYJB-yDxQ4P4_o9bj7Vn4OyV1zpcZF53JZbZeckkcVFIpaP6zx6m24RboZZ23J1129wQMOvZv9m_2OPCkOIBWCHWQKHq7WVcuZeg0X6gYp9iTRVOMKniq1BQiqlzxrszodQ/s1600/Ryasnoye+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6SP3JgN_XGfYJB-yDxQ4P4_o9bj7Vn4OyV1zpcZF53JZbZeckkcVFIpaP6zx6m24RboZZ23J1129wQMOvZv9m_2OPCkOIBWCHWQKHq7WVcuZeg0X6gYp9iTRVOMKniq1BQiqlzxrszodQ/s640/Ryasnoye+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Most of the camp already abandoned, but still some vehicles and tent can be seen.<br />
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<b>#4</b><br />
<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMHhjBBAmZEngB013wABatThAytLE3piATqSXeHAenizWQOTE3xRTEl9BarkYq52ylU8OmskufBfJrAUmhH8aWOHWkdtzg2u6RlIEtIpm9WD46zh1ty5ToamfoNFRNgzNrvUxcktcd8gKP/s640/Ryasnoye+3a.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The 6-10-2014 image shows the extent of the camp, although abandoned. On the 4-9 image vehicles can be seen when the image is enhanced (it's obscured by flares of clouds):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9Q9SvZEAPlPS2Vx3C2px1qdaPA1Bw7bFtMZPIQ5Rf8Tn1qpd3KB8o8YmaydKnw5Y71DoGAsMpgwHFvsn2JU2DrsjhFyLtuXAxlQ4B3w5zQJOw8gnEFTQVrPadgboYdpE6bI1rsmHNu3wi/s640/Ryasnoye+3b.JPG" /><br />
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<b>#5</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUeNg5f-VRbBMgCLuuQwAMqGW9PZ0qFS4TuBxd9HoFHy9E-BHyudVoHm1B8povOokp70FGjA_nXwtkstyizsJTL0NCAxcqUbK5CcMjpKLQ9aW7P35UoDGRzY_t_ruTGvsTfuBNmZj20kik/s640/Ryasnoye+4.JPG" /><br />
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Lots of tents.<br />
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<b>#6a</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQr-KcTiwI9DpCF0JTUii_ySU5ykO8dY_k7-AfchxRiRYPyDucctCoReqQXQBI3fztt6bEnIPXTFAM_z763-nBfl3auFv6dKQFA4XuzOrZjm-9kW6ocqUbObOnD3n8VTNSb0rtsB8jnaDW/s640/Ryasnoye+5.JPG" /><br />
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Some tents and tracks in the trees.<br />
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<b>#6b</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpRAk1UNc_WwlOMFAT2g2U4AKd3H2s6uX7D4GV-C3XNRPUpg9r43_wNCqSmSmQHNxeXZQZfXm029GYT3muAxnxerBW4qeJSU8GPGBgu_RMBAP9BhgoK7cSvwhLvA9UTMay2IJTdTqM4MXp/s640/Ryasnoye+6.JPG" /><br />
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On 4-9 mostly abandoned, but a parked helicopter can be seen. Inset shows group of vehicles on 6-10.<br />
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<b>#7</b><br />
<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgde_6_ZG3CY5JXHOu44xCga-I83ynSuCTQKW-zTe7URStZkpTzIEyIkrfocOlJ1fgUutEeQ6LYIBsyh7WHpyhIETWZoS3yQcVWb8d-9byn5VGbaiyiddQQ32dSkLQ19Z9-vE_GsmjU3B8Y/s640/Ryasnoye+7.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The 6-10 image ends right in the middle. lots of vehicles can be seen, as well as tents.<br />
The 4-9 half shows another kind of vehicles.<br />
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<b>#8</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5-zl55Q2b5Bw-6qfdWd9o9HohhpITLWlZm6DaB80EPght3lIvJU9tT10NzUM2A6ODfPw3Mn96Uy2Ezeclq3tE2OF7bw8_H9N8mvB2HpsQfgF26p_MQ0ZFiywViY_tSpWLSqq0-EqjhNH0/s640/Ryasnoye+8.JPG" /><br />
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Abandoned camp, but places where tents stood, can clearly be seen.<br />
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<b>#9</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8yIMZRXe4pXwilvOpFedCSushUIABUr2Ap_F4qorJFhGh4VceVjenv2CPm1ugGq0AftvnbfI1tl5xy21gxzB6BFgUGXvEM87rShIp_XXHQYB4NN1tneuNbgH7YIhU3uPQrV3AFnjGElhU/s640/Ryasnoye+9.JPG" /><br />
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Again many vehicles as well as tents.<br />
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<b>#10</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgKPtb-oL2w5gn1XepRFUPrGO_jU5gjgOsi4loe2fya-S4KKzC55bLAgvqvny-aXxXE6vBjGZDugZi07gxO74LfoNbW0BuvtgrqwIb0lir4a5COmknfpSFNW7-BzRozk8ytMM1h1CXi2hdI/s640/Ryasnoye+10.JPG" /><br />
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Only traces can be seen on several dates, but the area has clearly been used.<br />
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<b>#11</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEik2QDCH4BHmixJBSC2DLQMCDpQzutGjthyRqcPgS63e5Uoqu5hXEpKMIaic9ZZJ10FtVumHj1HBAJps7DlaR4DDNyPWZCjQOvMo4bCC7BKOrlO4E19DPSsj1sRr1SSuBLLvlv2v561Xl9I/s640/Ryasnoye+11a.JPG" /><br />
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Image enhanced. Vehicles and tents. On the 6-10 image more positions of tents can be seen and also an area closeby that must have been used too.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgDLJSzMznsX2SO1K_tjRGBZJymEQnUsKATFofgudR0eptazicK1qxqzjykTAGnSTZbat48SZlftcqvNl9taCRfOiVfJEDNSrunzlEagLVgGpx8ZAMXHaodt1ZjEhFOI_Fxpq-6jRGTA29U/s640/Ryasnoye+11b.JPG" /><br />
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<b>#12</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggoreopgZRGy6fv-RreOhbwDdMsyTwEOLhuQ6PsM7mxa-zZltzqkLW7Pz8DomtaHcI5BybF6QaA6GYAN_vcDJF0vcn02iIzlVN4MMREK_6ZWO4MCVoxIWxY9iY4P6QrMy3tTMgZqP1Tpvg/s640/Ryasnoye+12.JPG" /><br />
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Lots of vehicles ready to move out it seems.<br />
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<b>#13</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxjCJV66Y7rZbCosgOxFIkPkZUA8Qg-lRdMse-lDIGwtOT9zWO2nCc5bE8iTmVHohoIwlze5gJASICOtTLQxIlc7OaStAnoyLnkbv7gkxh354DNzqL_cfp-0F-K8-LTQ1E9BHfiEbgPS0r/s640/Ryasnoye+13.JPG" /><br />
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Abandoned area, but lots of unusual traces can be seen, as well as an area where a big fire had happened.<br />
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<b>#14</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4czOOlIyg0GqdEFz0RqDjuDujQteMxkvX8simUEwGKIVwm057UNii-uMA54ASxbWC3eda-6OOqUNeoJUWXVJH1uLw4TZsvHmqtUawZH9ELuDbJKKU5qjcJqUivWRg4J7mnnTjsMPs74Gw/s640/Ryasnoye+14.JPG" /><br />
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Did you count them?<br />
Munition depot in the top.<br />
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<b>#15</b><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyGrWgNDay7wbaaoAn8-BS-YtmHP6JA0dj2A6N0hS2_uLsrhrvXoKCE_pjWl9appxEjNRqcRuqqTZec-REoxSipyX9goI76Fp54W9GOBLroSbO0VNbY5X0kBueGh8Hw9bQod9B-bz_Kkv6/s640/Ryasnoye+15.JPG" /><br />
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Same story.<br />
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<b>#16</b><br />
<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvlMMWNstzt49k2cf1rHCvFBnAwxgVfcbUg_rxZdmyrCz-jQ4dQtfKcAR168BjkTexlO291fKkKEGGGc6_Gwg-iANfVUgpolpOpkT4Wg-oQ2DgzccwWUmS86xG5sqMePxLIePQHVghAZDv/s640/Ryasnoye+16.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This camp is South of Alekseevka and Aleksandrovka and North of the other camps and has been noticed by many already for a long time. It shows a variety of consistencies on different dates. It is on the same route and would fulfill a similar role as the other camps<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
All the areas together are of similar size as the Golovinka-base. So far these were unnoticed, because there were no satellite image available of that area. And when they became available they were still hard to detect, because they were further away from the Ukrainian border and spread out over a large area. Nevertheless these are significant forces.<br />
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Most of the camps appear on the 4-9 date. Some are already visible on 23-8, but that image only covers the bottom part of the area.<br />
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The position of these camps is between Golovinka base and the route to either Marinovka, Amvrossivka or Ilovaisk. So most likely they were used as temporary hubs/stops on the way from Golovinka to Ukraine.<br />
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Since the village of Ryasnoye is central and closeby, lets call these camps the Ryasnoye camps.<br />
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<b>UPDATE 4-6-2016</b><br />It turns out that the train station in Pokrovskoye has been used throughout 2014-2015 to unload lots of armor, as these satellite images show:<br />
<br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRF_GN3moUs-n9C0gUlUY_FvDTcnRFz1x1qCO5i_KX1C_ZmopxlH5g5-LKV-6Ti8AIv526hA2Ck0cq1zV-gmIvuXLXlx0utumahhVfp0l7Po8ijBcYOKjzKcHDBKllCI7RGLW-2LBQ40Bn/s1600/train+3.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRF_GN3moUs-n9C0gUlUY_FvDTcnRFz1x1qCO5i_KX1C_ZmopxlH5g5-LKV-6Ti8AIv526hA2Ck0cq1zV-gmIvuXLXlx0utumahhVfp0l7Po8ijBcYOKjzKcHDBKllCI7RGLW-2LBQ40Bn/s640/train+3.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br /> <br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgck0yl_bo1dnAsxvwAwv11-M3O0B7moGITvmovTvTVjSrJQN1xbVODFO99DRsUMgeR9L4DdQpwAcQrVMUOuJ0XfZsr4fH39EuyfkN8hnmDSogvkrAAUHQnIYspN5k76czGAaSz4k09hM0g/s1600/train+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgck0yl_bo1dnAsxvwAwv11-M3O0B7moGITvmovTvTVjSrJQN1xbVODFO99DRsUMgeR9L4DdQpwAcQrVMUOuJ0XfZsr4fH39EuyfkN8hnmDSogvkrAAUHQnIYspN5k76czGAaSz4k09hM0g/s640/train+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiD-cV7n0Uee9eHF9t1B0IkQ3Hmhait0YNpyizLHYpWayydrFe173WyxyEPIl21LVgW9xXZ6mr_Lk2a7zP-a2J3fAPBVH5pf6DY3zvdUaIGWtvS7bwhlDiF9oSNKX23TZh_p_1rEGtbhkuC/s1600/train.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiD-cV7n0Uee9eHF9t1B0IkQ3Hmhait0YNpyizLHYpWayydrFe173WyxyEPIl21LVgW9xXZ6mr_Lk2a7zP-a2J3fAPBVH5pf6DY3zvdUaIGWtvS7bwhlDiF9oSNKX23TZh_p_1rEGtbhkuC/s640/train.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br /> <br />So that seems to be the logical explanation for all these camps. After unloading they need to dwell somewhere. That was North of Pokrovskoye... on their way into Ukraine:<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5PEoj_d0xTXCjyJSVkKRoqIJbIAXyUI51H3iQ-oaUQE9lSZX3J6lZ1wzlrS-gzTH-Oh1rUdWyFgVSxWZYqHYVfdYh9ysiJwLgZe_yxXIfDN0IjdIwTel3X787t5Pyg3IFvyhJpy1rt2OI/s1600/train+4.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5PEoj_d0xTXCjyJSVkKRoqIJbIAXyUI51H3iQ-oaUQE9lSZX3J6lZ1wzlrS-gzTH-Oh1rUdWyFgVSxWZYqHYVfdYh9ysiJwLgZe_yxXIfDN0IjdIwTel3X787t5Pyg3IFvyhJpy1rt2OI/s640/train+4.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /></div>
Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-39003817110424950702016-04-11T10:09:00.001-07:002016-04-13T15:57:48.009-07:00Geolocated videos: escaping from the border entrapment near DyakoveThis is a follow up on <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/04/scale-of-krasnyi-luch-2014-operation.html" target="_blank">this blog 'Scale of the Krasnyi Luch 2014 operation and destruction'</a> which used the data presented in this blog.<br />
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Ukrainian soldier Vitek Nikolaevskij uploaded a couple of videos to his youtube account showing his whereabouts at the Ukrainian Dyakove camps and the escape from there.<br />
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They are essential for understanding what happened with the Krasnyi Luch operation, since they are about the only Ukrainian video source of what had happened.</div>
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So let's start with the beginning.</div>
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<b>Video #1 - Russian UAVs </b></div>
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The video shows a Russian UAV flying overhead and observing their positions. They try to shoot it, but are not able to bring it down.<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OcjvTlVBxOA" width="640"></iframe>
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These screenshots:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQPcQsmkWK4dDE68Bt_fthR8XmTjCIJRtuxlPk5gdpKy8WUt7SUxC9UeLGf7rqb6bmsH3RaNKEIlXRY-oFz0tpti61HOnnZE94owvoprFYdV69896e6B8HXkpShVoC4yMcy2zyAdMFtgM/s640/Dyakove+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-tjDfDgAptU6ZMIaDheHvaQ-NDd20s_I7srHUoxSfMApmgAQuDZb_paQNR5ISeBzz7NbDk5vj6JU2anTikt_PhjuCdphuGqy-VPfebwJyz5VJ32HzCjOoZbI7FreuTr9eddVqkVpv-xU/s640/Dyakove+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjZWu1735rQ-oB4HqdAc8RQ_gvLHKCO7FhurBePRSMZqR4u9zoaJYgRQCAM_pOkvQp91HftvDCWIUWxE7X83tPvwH_Xwk5K-gn1rbtoQ2b_lwqVL2Fraj5fyuNDqOOEX36rXteA-yrojs/s640/Dyakove+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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are taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgy94FZB_dPq7UxU1-lOblKV9sy1q6gbp0qg9T_nacdxcIv9q459sG8Bw83KGlBxZY1f7gIhnAlRzxgK3mAQCCsFSfrhO-tKIi_jE-Azg_iEpwoaoeI78sLMK5vzjoKRmQ2Gc_O1EIgn9A/s640/Dyakove+5.JPG" /><br />
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This is at the heart of the southern Dyakove camp, that's been shelled most of all camps.<br />
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<b>Video #2</b><br />
This is a video showing some impacts:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/u_Br0FVBQTI" width="640"></iframe><br />
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This screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9ufSBSZIqJ4co4zht8C9qRSCPdoCbC8BL7SF6LZ0eo831gJY5RsU7fysWiuYNEodLZ2HG5TG8qqFHRXw9igz_Q8gWuYdS6Grz7aIhZvVkBWCB7IWsZl_1zVRGD024UAA7FTjkeqUpqCk/s640/Dyakove+6.JPG" /><br />
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is taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhe6J4MQzas6mun6kCVrm859_EnQQAEtFHqOLo8WVnCLJfEYtfEdw_MBqn-OHJfCXj76joiqrsNHmu8mDdD4dUSjzWW1K0D1hbo7OS4SzCaHzQGDl15qiimLVe4CDc4-oSaYlfU9AosdW0/s640/Dyakove+7.JPG" /><br />
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The impact craters can be seen, two of which correspond with the impacts in the video.<br />
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<b>Video #3 - more shelling</b><br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iJDlpEVGinQ" width="640"></iframe>
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It's not possible to exactly geolocate this video. It looks like a different spot than the rest. But it shows what continuous shelling is doing: the people are relatively safe when in the trenches, but the vehicles can get easily destroyed when hit.<br />
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<b>Video #4</b><br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YctwMxWWeP4" width="640"></iframe>
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This screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsSuIvtoW-ETadicAVKCjKI3GBO2bpR0k4JuRYPe6pXNGabASlFmbMI98mKveV6o1iUjvp738dEzmDb84fi9ErBEsxIMf008EWghMc_iIr9qQQq6CohdFpZzZHYhgd6BKQ0KdEsEctnAM/s640/Dyakove+8.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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is taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK2U6ElYsO0tl6o_UexqPhB6PQaypG6km0-CLcXuxDQtpIg1nvaFj09uXS9xB0hY-q5GZAM4TkCvVbSHpg9vT9DfeVuwtds4yRUhHUO64rFCDIzbe2eWKtHlWEnZCbsd6vaXqQutAcd-M/s640/Dyakove+9.JPG" /><br />
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They are in the outskirts of Dyakove. When he looks in this direction:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNm9FMRmXaOJ1gwugLOjnJvt_8V8Ztnh27XEMo41vGoWHAGjMT1gnLX5rfQ0dYj8vQ1MR86nEZOjt0bngcNpn1NoFoodMhcNtIxNiO1NEzEJneLppvSZvRRnIfm4rHGbRbBiJ3qqW2sUY/s640/Dyakove+11.JPG" /><br />
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we can see smoke rising. He exactly looks towards their former positions were things are burning now:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdW1KwzUkaaSuhfS87OHEMbz5rzd3yI7xqX_4VH2inqiv6d5nYxEfDZTGRIzstiQeY2JXOH_B1Q844cuadyr_25MESGxxAa8OhCl0tN9FTMym55gEMSgsH3fzG60O0Vae6UT6kRDcgap8/s640/Dyakove+10.JPG" /><br />
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7T1UkcTZk">This video</a> shows the destruction that the Russian artillery created at their former camp.<br />
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<b>video #5</b><br />
Driving through Dyakove:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ubCyINOhcdk" width="640"></iframe>
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They are driving like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNCaJjApCvaUSgmUxVwUX0NM2wjv7tCIH4OYvyEMhO7Zdktw903sMfpcTEdV6sWdHEv6Isi5ec6C-LpqW5u3dHR15auG2spp6T7xMUGk__a-C-Anqw8-eEq_GgxishaBl6XeLqz0i6tFY/s640/Dyakove+14.JPG" /><br />
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<b>video #6</b><br />
Driving over the plains:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SYI1ocbeP24" width="640"></iframe>
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Very hard to geolocate video. But it has to be in between some of the others. Furthermore the car is switching lanes, zo there must be some kind of 'double road'. Other clues are that there are incidental small bushes at both sides and there is smoke somewhere in the distance.<br />
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The best shot for this location/screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOSu8vK2ilXf_d33sXKLq_w6e6bzxYP5FdGBOUS5OXTRQrOFVgj5hTx9gtLtOkRCn5I5PowKAfubBWFx4_KJ80yuPWielcAwWaUzsD84NKVRpJYkJRiYGjsOE6PVASnfN32l10jtZC8Y0/s640/Dyakove+12.JPG" /><br />
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is somewhere on this road:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMVUpOPFtnZbQqbIgxa2foAxmzDg-qnpCK_BDCs_ZRoekH3AYNnk2MAuRths7n5AXNuUtTyF_GLXOmqlEe5dK1NzENTMcmu-w1NMwjaTguFtiVydmeyOPQY_XmM4CN94MO6M1hvhkb2Ng/s640/Dyakove+13.JPG" /><br />
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The double road is there. The road bends slightly to the right. There are small bushes at both sides. And... surprisingly there is a clear burnmark from some bushfire in the distance.<br />
Most likely it is somewhere here.<br />
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<b>video #7</b><br />
They are pausing for a moment and in the distance something is burning:<br />
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This screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVgxXvRIbMJczrp7ybVnGzUlxO4O6foMApMHAdbFf0CfIZqFeXNXy4vxmsX8T8jlpSGv7c4Mk1SWC8o_ca8LzmRBxaiUOvK10dzSoJTi13Ft-1tSGADdqgT_hhJHJia_xMAPxoMHXI-3I/s640/Dyakove+16.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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is taken like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjN9ak9Oy2yvSSveMyBjOo232kdSmXy_Hix3H9rnl8SBCOGZEP_E49lyo6oxTkMxaKOEL495HtTdo3L5mQ3Zs9B8kDmZSAhGV5Wv9FPAej3_UdFWTOb_OCpOLQf5GYnSPuewxZW_kc778Q/s640/Dyakove+15.JPG" /><br />
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The Google Earth image has more tracks that were created by groups that passed later on.<br />
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Next thing we can do is see what the origin of the smoke is (red box):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgF0MTd-FaN-Ps55mgIjhgxf606fhMu2-WkdGdwSVRTi6EV60GzugGGnm772ubE_0pO8d7dQNcBg4RCpNLdIf5SV9sMdPZxQr9z7J-GXTuMSYD6V5qyuyVUlVothVFw9i6SGlWKmeXGwcU/s640/Dyakove+17.JPG" /><br />
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We see a group of trees and a single tree. We can locate these (and other trees) on the map:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTX1lmENGiLNMkZ6NV4N7uWy1bN4LNeBww34zWbmvbexEL1QukXLC_QkP0ll7m2zKQaMIKPeQi4ePvhFhpd9O80zbayi7NQ877m2WOXiJc6GvdzJDG7gOzP4aEDLY1__kNqBw9Vk_j8qc/s640/Dyakove+19.JPG" /><br />
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and match them with the screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9gfSO45Oh4-Mnv3LOM7sUFbVdSPDrLPCN6JhTxQ3__mRr_YE7xRGOktf8uXAGvL2C-htX7X9WmrGYerMbnNTi1bIlzfXIhBcOE1vqF-gi5O6wcD1wqlS_YCz5feDD6g7ngSJiEvqd9Z4/s640/Dyakove+18.JPG" /><br />
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We draw the red line in Google Earth towards the red box. Then we look down the line to see what is there:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRMVI7LsqQOJvn1WhKqy8H03zsTmKlgYOeYgZCTx_K6z3YTmLrRXTSz31CNg-WYssP8Ru4KHt0DrI-rFg2Xxl5wjoiF8EG2r18tiN_a82TT48WcXOfVeh8dc_gC73QoBBzhTHXLpfqy1c/s640/Dyakove+20.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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There are known wrecks in the vicinity, but not exactly on the red line which (if we did the previous step right) is a must. But there are impact craters on the line though:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcw14KPgS6uHcdDvjEj6RhZFiE3RTS23iKN5l5HvIZYsqgDCnfJSAeKntGeXAOX6C3XlTQbHUqpY4tCgzHR816QwBZkjjl4iG3qE0mB826GXkQSQNlD6VQEGfb-QhrcjGd44E2NCHhfcs/s640/Dyakove+21.JPG" /><br />
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So it looks like artillery is coming down in the area, but no vehicles were hit yet.<br />
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<b>video #8abc</b><br />
Next three videos shot from the same location.<br />
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Ukrainian units can be seen crossing a field. Smoke from impacts and/or hits (purple box) can be seen behind the tree line (green box). A smaller line of trees is in the distance (yellow box).<br />
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This screenshot:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5aqCqakxxXw74Vz_fInRWTkyIoPMWa9K9PrpdaYMUNCSAcDnFkg5Y9VvgGtiMx4kkTpZselIB4v0zDR-hlbyahxICGCOF3ceRWgBCmniS6GmcFvlixiL2r70pVTddg8h2rKry_yatWe8/s640/Dyakove+24.JPG" /><br />
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is taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEha6RHL-jghxT-uqAvSwjFcRYX9t9YRkws_sOjJtjpX6pUFA5Nbh-cDW-ZURvOQuE0MlltbaCJDpHjjlnvb5-p2GlToDJXyv3NlpJLEgy739PkOgf49GybjZ-gfNFV2DZjhFqfyrZbgeVs/s640/Dyakove+26.JPG" /><br />
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Vehicle icons = known wrecks<br />
Purple line = direction of smoke<br />
Red lines = visible tracks in Google Earth<br />
yellow lines = view from camera<br />
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The soldier in the video talks about that they lost an Uaz and a Zil. The first being some sort of jeep and the second a truck.<br />
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Indeed both a Uaz and Zil can be seen in <a href="https://youtu.be/jgMOOta3r6Y?t=32m8s">the Krasnyi Luch destruction video</a> as this screenshot shows:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip7P_tj8H-pmX_6hTiaXTo4d4qAQAqVOr_rffm3vkpLAdBbwgkXKqVxHqs2FeLrs6jHNG8-wp_IIyKxzc7IpX2xu27Bx3p3F3R63o8qTksjn_nAO2C5wRGWKoGMCG7LhQN6Gi699KveXc/s640/Dyakove+29.JPG" /><br />
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as well as <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.03136,38.99328,38m/data=!3m1!1e3">their location in Google Earth along the route that they had been driving</a>:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg50VDPZq3CZoYQdMJyJIi6KzICYz9nIUqIY4Cdqi438vB1kyP6DMl3wNQa6Rhpj653y93Au8Mi7NwUxsJApfBotR8wEl1yviZ5aPon_a9YtSp22an0S2WgD6KvZCRcvfwYS6awBPX3WHE/s640/Dyakove+30.JPG" /><br />
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<b>video #9</b><br />
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They drive along a treeline, with also a treeline in front of them and behind them. Furthermore it is in the evening and the sun is setting in front of them. So they are driving westwards. There are not many locations that have (at least) three treelines like that.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvthpV8qUI4n2r4W5HWckRUBri-Z5ddi-gNEWulsh5jX5QKaft3_acJTzIImdzhrpYlSLo6RDAmXas_Do97YbZ9oiGmH4b-hAtjrBjH4okjw0u43Q_onBchX4ebTbfbU7WQv-1qV_54gw/s640/Dyakove+31.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgiFjnz5W_EF_jKwRK0ZhWS2D1AXsvI6ijVP0HluyGBerlkX2lRT2rRTZqYoxdbYWBQqvCZEzxuvGrBLKHTCPNLkuipICuyJT_JigSMCoVGFsg31NLNU6bVyhsEHDw8k_xmv2zlAgFpwOg/s640/Dyakove+32.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSPWEKKKXE2dJSqzzBNsF6bfIaRPwH6ZAwoPaj5L8xQQ18JE39fvsxeXmqCc6FrlZX7z8J0jNzIlLXjDcVG8qQJG2kVtoslB6Ev8a3VRpphTeG8I9SziD3ivFdm4X8-w-l3AV0wOzYUkI/s640/Dyakove+34.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This is the only possible match:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhY2y3_a-1KMVZCIGoWJ_2uZTNG6RucheLGJ9LVVccEfrOt7ue8hopoYnqye7GHSTsoq7d0YgDCKPj4is32au1MXk3xTJxiDkcnk7IYTFkIeG78so1r6SI3vVRttfLKyuMYLk2Yz1z_Sk0/s640/Dyakove+33.JPG" /><br />
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The blueish-purple areas indicate where impacts can be seen. The orange square has two, one of which must have been the fire we can see in the middle of the field in the video. In the distance we can see many fires, which corresponds with the multiple impacts seen in the red square.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwoviAy2MJ525HlHr1IsMJiL8RzgS8Lm0qy0lllIznoWbEaWYxNFkPOnZeJkhFaudtXDw7WgCMDee1uf_8I5UyTXnpL5Z2zzQPGM7PHQGRggAy6c62pSA1iHNUN8hApoU3wparRBrHmGo/s640/Dyakove+35.JPG" /><br />
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They are lucky that this dense volley missed them by 1 km...<br />
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<b>Video #10</b><br />
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<b><br /></b>Screenshots:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFUAueu3q9d6bX2ZU5rP9wT031akf3P87K1etBKxrKS0g-NS_V_CSvyb6PKOZFsozT_KVBKrrfvy7wxzO6-Jv35CfH-a3bsNvzIFup99Is1n7YP2PQa5fQa_ztZkK1psRL79SPWc2xJ8E/s640/Dyakove+38.JPG" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjqihWDrI4g1_6D6pQd_f2pdO7u1k4uvKmDGnHQYc4gJU5SMJxeuDh9oFvvN6y9UDrpr-7vVED6vrgenC_CmM1_wzxtwzdXTRJ-_pVpTVLZXFqu0JcHRiDWm9ub9JTtAgT_TTjJGACuJI/s640/Dyakove+43.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4PTCd3ujEnlXbjEuh_8mSex722kk8ikVB9Q4hvG1lZcosWtD-L_PkJNrEqSYwr2Jk9iXKy_xFurrTCGfpD7UrywdWQYJKaJrvb5Ol1LATsNmFAlZ3_560A3GK4XejFqfEMPWbuQKrOVQ/s640/Dyakove+39.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Looking back there is a sunrise (it must be like 4 'o clock in the morning and they must have spend the night somewhere). On the left side, there are impacts from shelling (again). There are electricity lines next to the road. And when they pass the treeline in front of them, the path to the left has trees on both sides.<br />
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They drove like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZ6ggl-84F5x-Kh7HDQp-LML3xP_cCNuF5LA-5byQQss4tHQq1DAtHfFe-iGMz4wYQRfIu-J92hGV4-l8KQ_gZukxXosfq3AOfsH9Nmthysyh0YrB6XGT7pftdufDgCKd79sfZdv8Zhi0/s640/Dyakove+36.JPG" /><br />
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blue-purple areas = impact crater some of which were made when the video was recording<br />
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<b>Video #11a/b</b><br />
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The second video is taken a little bit further than the first one.<br />
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This screenshot from the first video:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxl8iHT2xC-zAzWmeTLBKTxr0FEhV3w_MwTmt12btvVWsSTZKfTfHMIhVaRn0sUtZEYMqCsA1oUTKuBiNmz46q3mQGiUW7XOa5WbWTm3WpLNh0fi3goAtVIWJY7qoJn_IlSeORIh2bu_U/s640/Dyakove+44.JPG" /><br />
is taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhM0yTqzLDgzjrveB5Kh6beZY9njH6BmZflQAY8U44qq3VnlpP-PnUKS9dovCeZDWQQ6R9Up1-qTnKVvTsCaydDi9Ai10lZU5-T8L83BOBBcLnewWCwhqPcl-WXbB_DqIDi1Y_1oOnteyU/s640/Dyakove+45.JPG" /><br />
Yellow vehicle icons = wrecks visible on Google Earth, likely from later groups<br />
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A large group of vehicles has assembled here. They made it to the other side. Although at this point they are still not completely safe yet.<br />
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The entire escape route now looks like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxGg16KaRlG_2-Q9J4h-xr8EiojjTqNezXytCd2cwjpKAebwmXyTfe_X0pOtuFYJyKzhyphenhyphenHnj8sRK_b44v0cgxJoas9SsAZAdUGNVlz3gZIdt3gA5ccG_ApZLvFQM8GT26J8wmMnPuOAcQ/s640/Dyakove+46.JPG" /><br />
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red lines = visible unique tracks in Google Earth<br />
orange lines = roads and paths also visible in older satellite images<br />
green line = Krasny Luch operation frontline 6/12-8<br />
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<b>Another escape video #12</b><br />
This video tells one soldiers story of his retreat from Dolzhansky border crossing:<br />
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At the end there are three shots with convoys on the route back. The first two were filmed at approximately the same location as video #7, since the trees in the distance match:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuTfHZ0_WemaQqGPxmTXYq7SggCxGQ3zrgeqHU7BatmQMlH1jCEJ0UA393xWi_NViu1MFiVikC_7YgOfMtCtj5a5ttyo2DPdrpoMcmZG4-oLrzXSfadnsEeBP_dR_PioY659Bv54xzze4/s640/Dyakove+47.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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But the vehicles don't match. So it seems to have been another group taking the same/similar route out.<br />
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That third shot was taken like this within Dyakove:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnY3NuUioztWiqmkxhanlQXTNf_j02NwZLOck47IWpG0HEEtB0BUtnepKKdUnH4rfqMvaX_R1KBqnMTaUaqN7VfgDcZTWcVIwOAB4MlCqEbBjDvJ3GM98CrZeXBbXa_5t3S9Drc2rt1No/s640/Dyakove+49.JPG" /><br />
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What's interesting is this truck with trailer:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXfZfjbeeg2pPoUZVE3K27v2eGQWNtVUIWHKJfU_YYEguVyTRc9-7kng8jSod9PYv6dkfff9y8ImDxKYfGT00LoGMgt2k39ib4PinMBTHxFMrFz3qURNxyFseWODMeM2-x7GJyxLM3KXk/s640/Dyakove+50.JPG" /><br />
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The pattern on the trailer exactly matches this one from <a href="https://youtu.be/jgMOOta3r6Y?t=34m30s">the Krasny Luch wrecks video</a> (which shows a lot/most of the wrecks in the area).<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgL0TPGHzWgJHQ1W0FT2-BxQX5aA8Ew_AsWoJolA8fe8oZO4PNSSNKu0iolV09QHqeDKr3CvFoCx1enhhOIshqtZ8jdSvIutl3jvf_eI-Nk5c1tDvNvI2ewL_sK8cirAJG-I-8b4Kfolgc/s640/Dyakove+51.JPG" /><br />
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It means it didn't make it to the other side! And it looks like it got stuck while trying to cross a ditch.<br />
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It was at this location (yellow circle; 48° 1'48.37"N 38°59'51.25"E) a little bit before the UAZ and ZIL from the other group:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiymKAxzMrnxXC8R5epHxVBfHEmiqjYBnZkIrg9xjFyQ2VkSEvXcGOfSefpvhoJDWkTbL2LzR5RbX3DwewB5Xpd4NitKy1Z1BWMks2rmH43EvmxZQpcuRUFE0kt7FBd5faEyGs8bQzH3Cs/s640/Dyakove+53.JPG" /><br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-40215401853711526092016-04-08T03:53:00.000-07:002016-04-08T10:07:43.747-07:00Scale of the Krasnyi Luch 2014 operation and destructionIn <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/03/google-earth-now-shows-major-russian.html" target="_blank">this previous blog</a> we examined the first large Russian invasion into Ukraine, that happened at Dibrivka (East of Marinovka) which was prelude to the other better known <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/03/google-earth-now-shows-major-russian.html" target="_blank">large scale invasion at Ilovaisk</a>.<br />
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Still there are a lot of questions about this invasion, such as: where did all these vehicles go and what did they do? It most likely had something to do with the Krasnyi Luch disaster.<br />
So here is a further investigation into what had been going on there.</div>
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<b>Determining how far the Ukrainians had come.</b></div>
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First thing is: how far did the Ukrainians actually get? On the official ATO maps on August 8th it shows attacks are going on towards the direction of Krasnyi Luch:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihccEcKOwutpE_6h1n8pEJPOjU0VMuCWIVnLsge1pd-1ZgaDyYPOOg_Ywnh2l1ZL0qltLBtU6GNsTw1IM4pZ-iJSJ0dz5Wig4S-vQYp-80tfLl-RdKjmF-ggGHrLOWOnazHqHHSYzEd_E/s640/08-08.jpg" /><br />
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On the map of August 11th it shows Miusynsk is captured:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnTotWGGNdKdGv0H4ec2g-e41XhCMUuysHXMAAXk7xiYiUzhvGeRLwvrGVUPua95n_dCb_MOJ5-g0xXj04-iOAK1rtC6p9wSabBYtgs7fIx3JH2lYDzbrUh-9b1ZJgt-CpAoFPJyNFHoI/s640/08-11.jpg" /><br />
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And that's it. These maps never show Ukraine anywhere closer to Krasnyi Luch. But these maps are not really reliable. They for instance never show Ukrainian forces anywhere near Izvarino either, while there is <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.26306,39.8264,305m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">a very clear destroyed/abandoned Ukrainian camp there</a>.</div>
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But there isn't much consistency among different origins of maps either:</div>
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Alternate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ATO?src=hash">#ATO</a> map realities & parallel universes. <a href="http://t.co/Td8nl5tMNJ">pic.twitter.com/Td8nl5tMNJ</a></div>
— Putin@War (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/500285435932065792">August 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Furthermore such maps always lag several days behind the actual events, since it takes time for information to show up and HQs don't want to let you know what they are doing in real time.<br />
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So there is a need to more precisely know the maximum extend to where the Ukrainians had come and how exactly the Russians defeated them.<br />
A combination of open sources can be uses to determine this.<br />
<ol>
<li>lostarmour.info gives geotagged info on where wrecks from the war can be found. If a Ukrainian wreck is somewhere, it means the Ukrainians have been there.<br /> </li>
<li>Satellite images help to see where camps, positions, tracks and wrecks are or where fighting or shelling took place. Impact craters can be used to determine the direction and thus who likely shot them and that in turn may help to determine who created the tracks.<br /> </li>
<li>Geolocated videos helps to determine areas of operation and identify better who shot the shells and who had been driving where. Also this helps to determine dates and timeframes, since videos can not have been recorded after their uploaddate.</li>
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<i>Lostarmour.info</i></div>
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Lostarmour.info is a Russian language database that records all wrecks in Ukraine based on photo or video evidence. It is pretty accurate, but nonetheless a Russian propaganda site for these reasons:<br />
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<li>In case of doubt, wrecks will be assigned as Ukrainian.</li>
<li>Russian( proxie)s use Ukrainian markings on their vehicles too.</li>
<li>Russian armour that has been damaged is being removed as quickly as possible from the battlefield and therefore remains unrecorded.</li>
<li>Since most of the contributors are (pro)Russians, destroyed/captured (and removed) Russian armour on Ukrainian side are hardly recorded. (See for instance <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@47.9070745,38.8919255,47m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">this example</a>. In the <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/09/guided-tour-through-marinovka-area.html" target="_blank">'guided tour' by Aleksander Ivin</a> in this area, the camera only starts recording after he just passed this wreck which is visible on several dates of satellite images.)</li>
<li>Russian militias made a lot of use of civilian cars. A LOT of civilian cars like that were destroyed. See <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/daring-ukrainian-move-towards-krasnyi.html">this blog</a> for instance. There is NOT A SINGLE ONE in the LostArmour database.</li>
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Because of this, the database mainly has Ukrainian wrecks and very little Russian ones. On the other hand most of the Ukrainian vehicles were destroyed by (cross-border) Russian artillery fire, and thus a lot more Ukrainian armour was destroyed than Russian.<br />
Good practice to use the database, seems to be this:</div>
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<ol>
<li>If vehicles are said to be (pro)Russian, there is no denying they are.</li>
<li>If assigned Ukrainian, double check if they are. There is always a chance they just say so.</li>
<li>A (very) large percentage of (pro)Russian wrecks will not be recorded.</li>
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Since the database gives references to sources, it is also a good starting point to find videos about the events.</div>
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In the area of Marinovka-Krasnyi Luch we see this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTvL-ATaUCRHK73ISQcdqCDkVk-0IfqVl952VetWlDfhihGAK7RKsLI3in50rh4-9WUK7KBXJiFVpGAv2OsXjzC4KJ3qbzay_ZD0wkLugbbFIYYvKm5QDW5SThX0Kdg9ycUVr07dQ_Xg8/s640/KL+2.JPG" /><br />
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Up to the Northern part of Krasnyi Luch Ukrainian wrecks can be found as well as Russian. <br />
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A closer look at that area shows this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPd8EuIYrtp42P5Op9B8CFYwUzRhRk5u23voJvAFQt9qzxp5Z437gFEF6ZtLvb7vF18XBGmvHbfUVAa2yCXIRXjmkuzoZHDqd87QqIxp7XuBbZAFVXug_W2ejwp8JKQapFQIUafa9sVxE/s640/KL+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The red lines are unique tracks not on roads, seen on the satellite image of Sept 4th and not seen on the previous image (2013).<br />
The purple areas contain impact craters from artillery, with the yellow lines indicating some of the directions. Most of it comes from Russian side, some from Ukrainian.<br />
The very small white areas are houses being damaged, indicating there was heavy fighting there.<br />
The orange area top right shows lot of tracks, indicating armor had been moving back and forth there. Probably this was a position for a Russian tank.<br />
The green line indicates how far the Ukrainians did come at least.<br />
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The red car icon is the position where four Russian wrecks were, as can be seen in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLN_kF_Gj_I" target="_blank">this video</a>:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLqODU7nBfAdPv1K7izetzolzu3VmlNQCqyCESTE_a_dBTZJPZ_GYoDaT0ldJxO2FI9QYVWU5q_CGEM6J6hCIe3EuprDicO_5U3fWTk7yTS5T7Hu4D_pT3uNMtnUTTeCWH-hNBmAqDnwo/s640/KL+4.JPG" /><br />
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There are two white vans (red squares; not in LostArmour) and two Kamaz 5350 (orange squares). See <a href="http://lostarmour.info/armour/item.php?id=4858" target="_blank">Lostarmour #1</a> <a href="http://lostarmour.info/armour/item.php?id=4857" target="_blank">Lostarmour #2</a>.<br />
A small Russian convoy got seriously hit here.<br />
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The vehicle icon in the middle is a BMP 2, <a href="http://lostarmour.info/armour/item.php?id=952" target="_blank">assigned Ukrainian by LA</a> (LostArmour):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpThnZooDJr5AFYAWS8UCJSZgYT9wI4LOfgaQIvngvO2Tcu4b63lxJ7VDoYNRQbqcHR50qKPmVIWeIN4YNB8qGHBsFNAjl5ZfH7EhX6lfIOHxhgkYm1GF6Bfr6XaDKFmZ2nDjUyTgobUY/s640/KL+6.JPG" /><br />
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The icon at the left is where the satellite image rather clearly shows what must be another wreck:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWuwupVCn-gfXS_INng1m9kQZQVPUBc_wDDRGlN2vYKAJTZn7fLhs09CgDLiI-oigeVickW1OkgY2Bbssa8McYo1HhPvYcYd-sEJucJxoNbbTVGP9wpvcF94P7gL9byuQ9F015TK0jh7s/s640/KL+5.JPG" /><br />
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The red circle shows the blast and burn marks on the street. On the left bottom side in the circle there is a wreck.<br />
LA does not show this wreck and none of the videos in the area show it either. This might very well be another Russian vehicle conveniently omitted for propaganda services.<br />
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<i>Did the Ukrainians come any further?</i><br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEdNKzhQOLA" target="_blank">This video</a> claims to have been recorded on the road (M3) from Debaltseve to Krasny Luch or even Antratsyt, but it can not be geolocated anywhere on it. If this would be true, Krasny Luch would have been completely encircled and cut of at one moment, but for now there are no hard indications this had really happened.<br />
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On July 30th there was an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZEP-4vyxdY" target="_blank">air raid</a> (pink area) on the main blockpost in the NorthWest (red area):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjulYEW5o77W7rNHRgqAweu_GM38xb-Hsbg_JnVZr3Bi1_H0_UAWroptWl9JY_Dv-lfv06EBtzzgSVQeiWEowHvIXtSQ5Icy0Ud8mcdGT3dlY_hdJQFf0BN9lHCEy2b6b73UBj1Z1NTf4E/s640/KL+7.JPG" /><br />
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Even though <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP6GSfyeccE" target="_blank">there was damage on nearby buildings</a> it had largely missed the blockpost.<br />
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<a href="http://petrimazepa.com/izvarino.html">This article</a> says the battalions that travelled up to Krasnyi Luch moved North to Lutuhyne under Lugansk and thus entirely left the area...<br />
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On autotranslate:<br />
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<img border="0" height="126" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbqCvm2YU8wcHMOfZAYAdwRg5t8lBXzKli1CkzaDEZlsT09fzVh2EM9v0jcCIAHnICPUTHnA17PG647pGzez6stNUxJjqH1bzIEWOBGlj4uD7LVU09yPucHaGwaXsnbwIGik4EdIIkXtY/s640/KL+56.JPG" width="640" /><br />
Red Ray = autotranslation of Krasnyi Luch<br />
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It is possible... with the cossacks fleeing, their blockpost might not show signs of battle. The area between Krasnyi Luch and Lutuhyne is largely nomansland, uncontested or... empty, so easy to travel through without trouble. But this was 'leaving the area' and not 'liberating it'.<br />
Since most of the details in that article matches with our findings here, it seems to be correct.<br />
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<i>Applying same method to whole area</i><br />
When we apply the same method (finding tracks, areas with impacts, wrecks, etcetera) we get this overall picture:<br />
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<img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmyhd2TZyKqX2rl-DXm-PPSVGRc7PTwhw-P3whnvaee1JaB4W_a-essQubolp0a30K946i806RvinDzTwQg_klPcDUyAaS4pjB1Pq56NpboDKtUAUPLE3Gimgft_CKO9gDgGTnRZ8dDo0/s640/KL+9.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Black line = the border with Russia.<br />
Red tracks = the two main routes of the Russian Dmytrivka-Dibrivka invasion.<br />
Green line = the border as how far the Ukrainians did get based on evidence found.<br />
Dotted green line = likely the Ukrainians got a bit further in these areas as well.<br />
Red/dark orange areas = Russian troops and positions<br />
Light orange areas = location with a lot of tracks<br />
Blue areas = Ukrainian positions<br />
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<i>Wrecks</i><br />
These are the wrecks that were found in this investigation:<br />
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<img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjK-9waB86uLe_hyphenhyphenJaUoAOdXtjz40seXUFHN9pFnivpZwI6tY43cW_P2yQEmZZ8AJakDxXw4Be7yA0bsZF9DNpCYu58Lsx3bU9-NI1uCvaB4zyhJC2HCOy354faUritu3yDI_0sPZ82N_Q/s640/KL+10.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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dark blue = Ukrainian wrecks (also) in LostArmour (24 pieces)<br />
light blue = Ukrainian wrecks identified from videos (31 pieces)<br />
yellow = likely wrecks visible on satellite images (18 pieces)<br />
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So in this area about 3 times as much wrecks were found as in LA, (with passenger cars not even included).<br />
It still remains a big question especially what the identity is of the wrecks visible on Google Earth.<br />
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<i>Unique tracks</i><br />
These are the unique tracks visible on the satellite images:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOayfUe3_vH9a-1cx_mYludLmsHKujAgKniV-noBGPyDRgQGVRN3oNbatAurIo2oc0qQIWQAE5h8zdD2_m-eQMaZbrjLM1DCyUuhLCr4zpqv5CXF7jmVmbEnVgBNQHDV5v544Xjy5XrBc/s640/KL+11.JPG" /><br />
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thin red lines = unique tracks of one or maybe some more vehicles.<br />
thick red lines = multiple tracks or 'broad road' visible<br />
orange lines = normal roads or paths<br />
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Three specific areas can be distinguished:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMT4T4NFQY7F0N_BjPsMqVhpT3IfeHiSpBvMR37Dv54H2JOdh5pqOp6LL_FcmQJm89DZgw-Zs0DSYMJL6Q_tZIohbSQzmZpKMqvwiYj0ZSEXw-ofoVKJ9Itzusi8Gnq5qm36o3drJDw7s/s640/KL+11b.JPG" /><br />
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<i>Yellow area</i><br />
The yellow area shows multiple unique tracks (besides the normal roads) leading from Stepanivka/Marinovka to the road North of Dmitrivka and to Krasnyi Luch. Clearly the Ukrainian attack has been taking place along these routes although some of course also might/must have been used by the Russians chasing the retreating Ukrainians.<br />
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<i>Red area</i><br />
The red area is like a big path with multiple tracks going towards Krasny Luch. Here are some sections of it:<br />
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<img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEirUkztIcUW37jgYxPsSfn4FIO_NY8kOkSNM-31QnMuPuDXOKt1WCEjWgkz06otrNOkb_EeRHmOahXcFcH_hiY3_K8ooVNIF9CTUXrrFEYX42znQhSRdowMPfcCbJUK9uzBQyBLSyCbKLg/s640/Untitled-1+copy.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Many vehicles took a left turn here...<br />
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Here they are running back and forth across a field:<br />
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<img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhghceDb0WvwpIIvzSiw_gXb2P0kjS6DYu4XRPd7gMGMONQJVCcwMbGKLa6Xg1hkn4UlQNIKv11My1x_4ilGw7HC-NwRqKigda_GXGwXZ5Wja_clshihcXVFeSTsQ58hgYhf3emRSF2LEw/s640/Untitled-2+copy.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Did a Russian invasion attack take place along this route to flank the Ukrainians that went to Krasnyi Luch? Or was it a Ukrainian attack adding to the advance that came from Stepanivka? Or was it even something different?<br />
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<i>Green areas</i><br />
The green areas in the middle are really strange. Lots and lots of tracks also leading into and from the treelines:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivRWmQq4nXzEKvASA0YQXnZfIBpcko9c0yyNSV3M65mDACOX_KL9CIZAHDsz45zJ9i_hDXCqdH3dCKofOK48xPe1oVTxndzsbkvAJk9oUY73xh45GvbjuAOMpVIAcL3qAlVA39Ovi_RJ8/s640/KL+20.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyaYoit2mkPhWYFP2M-XAwz-BlPE0ZL0m6eDpn0W_pooaZ96vwYC0-BQ-h_p0_3z2tFn3QbrfJf9fOdMC3kA7Cdqm-_FHA5I8qi1l6w0_RroEj7JfCv_O4PgMnCClD9UDQTkWQCNC4J5k/s640/KL+21.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK6GF4WcNoprdRMDyO7NthVVLVTeaXmI4czye032bl70GhHDiq9hNpEKLK5jBh9dr-rrMGQQjCltOBk77EBVcr2XPuFive2eBhM36tGep-C-glySVBdQHS6eWIiVQhufllPv6Jc3T_0rE/s640/KL+22.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOc4BJEKJ89RjIcnvlhRBWp7uIL9sbg4foD-FNQWFjSy80deaW4tNeVkrdBHUH2_E4Oie93-hfg6MRflPEdiiEJy9imnzrMAhAv-2UY4ByZ-qFRxIm43VwIv53eeKyLPZDGj0osdql2oA/s640/KL+23.JPG" /><br />
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Even debris/garbage/left overs can be seen laying around:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcDKaQxqTtqOzzX2cuZapjZ4CYunLbWt8pw6gM_ZX1S5EXMAx8r1ewwYvghfG3e_BvEehbpKg0BksW1IPT7RDMIoEQbGf6axbF8xm__ROCr4LWrkkynmACqz1w7hqGezaRsa8wFjlUzvc/s640/KL+24.JPG" /><br />
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Tracks leading in and out of the treelines are almost certainly from military camps. But besides that, a lot of activity seemed to have been going on too.<br />
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The big question is: was it a Russian camp or a Ukrainian? And thus, was it part of the Ukrainian advance, or part of the Russian invasion?<br />
And related to this question: was Dmytrivka taken back by the Ukrainians (for a very short period) in the Krasny Luch operation or has it always stayed under Russian control?<br />
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<b>Sequence of events that led to Krasnyi Luch disaster</b></div>
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In order to determine what had happened, we can make a timeline of geolocated videos from that period and draw them on the map accordingly, with an appropriate adjusted frontline.<br />
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<i>July 3rd</i><br />
Our start map is from the beginning of July when the Ukrainian army had almost reached Izvaryne.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqdVY5np86g" target="_blank">This video</a> with an upload date of July 3rd shows the Ukrainian army shooting at passenger cars on the Izvaryne road (as already said: Russian militias used passenger cars a lot...):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7ruvrr16Wnx2rbIqG435FA8H_xfQ2Pu6BrMw4B5pyRailaaWYQtY_IJ1xrDnjmHOPVfDUZ6ezEFbQ8RPGsF74Fhm6ER37KoGPGRNARMozYc0rx8_Lw2uDgVu9LtoUVtAE95XM4tKdbx0/s320/KL+25.JPG" /><br />
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The video was taken like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWcD1mKOKNQnfiFYwSMesn1ihxLAV-YSGKiwXF2om7IvLdNeoXg6-ACTrw102iAezuOoUR1TqEmQ5q-TXmDTpdtBOaA6RTkA5yFFUbpzCieAfPEHbWzDM-7j1mB-jUwoISdRkZrWN9ZEA/s640/KL+28.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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red line = incoming fire from Ukrainian position<br />
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So far no videos have been found showing/proving the Ukrainian army got any further than this.<br />
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Near Marynivka the situation must have looked like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSwlW3uNexGh2q20CujD44K_pyJRkNwFaVeUsp80A0lrbcAOT7M1h3uI5HYTQFOFEk92pvleR8_8hOetgsOB-BvkirCOjRNNQQmkGq0TGOaaIkA39d8nH50wVUHByJDD5d36U9RqDo_38/s640/KL+30.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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There are Ukrainian positions visible near Semenivske and Tarany. Stepanivka was not taken at that time, Marynivka was in Ukrainian control, but Dmytrivka was not (there was a now deleted video of Aleksander Ivin on July 3rd near Dmytrivka).<br />
Substantial Ukrainian forces were located NorthEast of Dibrivka.<br />
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As can be seen there is a dangerous narrow path at the location of Chervona Zorya. What makes that area even more difficult, is that a small river runs north-south at the point which needs to be crossed to get to the border area Eastwards.<br />
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Google Earth shows two pontoon bridges were placed there:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7_Gq2K2LmMqaHs2jaOkBb_ge8qOea6qF5VanvmgGjQoRL4PCgcpPb-fElv3Gs96H4S7WJfjidt9N04LzIkDAxHbuufE1Vt7w3qZJeVDLG2XAqkrAziuwVS9IdoDxPVag8TZRo5W00bIo/s640/KL+31.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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LostArmour shows that not all Ukrainian tanks made it to the other side...<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnE8rBGVdlaKMLmGqUCy-C5Llv1Sd8K2aZLgWtCGiK-zXOc6VldKvJ0PM9UTo2tSPuRfcSkKcX-_t5tF15YUvHugXIRFZGixGW9czxRM3lsyVQa3DZBSBi3-o5P2tucT5e8JB59j1PBCQ/s640/KL+32.JPG" /><br />
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The complete early July map along the Russian border looks like this, with the rest of the front line drawn at some distance from the known Ukrainian camps visible on the satellite images:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvNgSaeNn-99x1m0stVcDPB0e4aYfI49YdgIU0xTyi4N8wmMuY87TI7MuU1dhGeOldQvgE2P72GBuvfv04_DplXAg-rOdCgh8XLqxQtzFKaNB8Ps_UKlPnc_9P5CLRAMJdCocfzK5IfBc/s640/KL+29.JPG" /><br />
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<i>First half of July</i><br />
Next significant events are:<br />
<ul>
<li>7-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/04/the-first-russian-crossing-border.html" target="_blank">the first crossing-border GRAD attack near Biryukove</a>.</li>
<li>7-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIFFg05ziI" target="_blank">Dolzhansky border crossing is in Russian control</a>.</li>
<li>11-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/01/google-earth-shows-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">Ukrainian camp at Zelenopillya destroyed by crossing-border GRAD attack</a> </li>
<li>15-7 <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bellingcat/photos/pcb.504820833039706/504741839714272/?type=3" target="_blank">Strela-10 filmed north of Stepanivka</a></li>
<li>15-7 <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=852_1405637593" target="_blank">Marinovka has been taken by Russians</a></li>
<li>16-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html" target="_blank">Ukrainian camp near Sverdlovsk destroyed by GRAD attack from Gukovo (Russia)</a></li>
<li>16-7 Google Earth shows Amvrosiivka camp has been shelled from Russian territory</li>
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To summarize this: heavy and intense artillery from Russian side that destroyed some Ukrainian camps. With Marinovka being taken, there is not even a hard road connecting the border area. Big risk of getting completely cut off.<br />
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It makes the map look something like this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhroqm8_iw2JXZYFeqBUt7f0mhyphenhyphenCRHmsiDs9eVbxTdAQrSozZXssJ7o1LBR736uql_GovdeDDvsmFkLM6qzRNLz4B-XGpZyqhOifIGdX-iwa1onUfHw9Q44APRWEpRz-tXC_k4mkYIaou0/s640/KL+40.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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On the other hand, at the same time Ukraine has been making progress in the Starobesheve-Amvrosiivka area, moving towards Shakhtarsk. As such it is broadening the area leading to Marinovka. This is evident from the 16-7 satellite image where several Ukrainian camps/roadblocks/fortifications/vehicles and even a battle area can be seen in that area:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghDhYyFrJCROuh0G_dV4aetJV8ydX86dVascmngR1mEZyMJ-IjrudEVkI4aXe89NZ7whpHOgGEbCjMpKcTOHzhyFzbMynFvaXVdFD0aGeEvcibdyKOB2OiFx7_gXWtx8becAp2wk3ZGwU/s640/KL+41.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Green line = approximate frontline on 16-7</div>
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Dark green line = approximate frontline on 3-7</div>
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A Ukrainian camp:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhk5AXxMDaMlhyphenhyphenUewioae11v0u67vxh-y37RvjFDi2BjtDuz1D1FmsacWHf_8OrHa3eeZqe3ZHisO5Q6kUWsA6TYP9Vga3LrEnOE2Obfuzd4flIOIfogfHlLGoNSctWDdjN2w3lO4XCnTI/s640/KL+42.JPG" /><br />
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Area where a battle has been fought:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzR0HvQf7H3E-8E_9U2AXFeXOjhTBL3dOy4ltZ98a1fFtMAvq_6vwbCstm9ApY7GTz95eEdTRLDF5VtOkIjNsVHkzf-X6uQ1cNEt26M9v8UNdITUzcSRXvtkv823JK2AtZwFzFaIpJ3sA/s640/KL+43.JPG" /><br />
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<i>July 17th</i></div>
<div>
On July 17th MH17 was shot down... </div>
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That was basically <i>in the middle of the turning point of the war</i>. Up till then Ukraine had been making a lot of progress, liberating towns and villages one after the other. It continued doing so for a while, but it was already starting to loose at the border, although it didn't fully realise this at that time. And Russia was <i>planning</i> to do some BIG invasions... </div>
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One might even argue that the downing of MH17 was to distract from the many cross-border shellings.</div>
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<i>Second half of July</i></div>
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Next significant events were:</div>
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<ul>
<li>18-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sS_TpR377c" target="_blank">Izvaryne camp abandoned</a> (not much shelling around it to be seen)</li>
<li>18-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57k7PWLdwTM" target="_blank">Attacks from Dmytrivka in direction of <span style="color: black;">Kozhevnya</span></a>.</li>
<li>19-7 <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=852_1405637593" target="_blank">'Serbian sniper' filmed in Marinovka and Stepanivka</a> </li>
<li>22-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3kz3QNn83c" target="_blank">Attack from Dmytrivka towards Kozhevnya</a></li>
<li>24-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrnHCLSZ-4" target="_blank">Ukrainian positions south of Marinovka taken.</a></li>
<li>25-7 <a href="http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/37171.html" target="_blank">Marinovka Border crossing taken by Russians</a>.</li>
<li>25-7 <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df2_1406701546" target="_blank">Amvrosiivka shelled from Russian territory</a></li>
<li>25-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7sE6dsuW0" target="_blank">Southern Sverdlovsk position destroyed</a></li>
<li>26-7 <a href="http://time.com/3042640/satellite-russian-ukraine-shelling/" target="_blank">US report about shelling from Russian territory on Dyakove camp</a></li>
<li>27-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wye6PT2Nwu0" target="_blank">Russian reinforcements convoy travels through Krasny Luch</a></li>
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The border units are firmly cut off at Marinovka. The Dyakove units still hold ground and seem rather untouched so far. There may be remnants of other units still along the border, but they hardly 'control' anything. They just try to survive the continuous shelling from Russian side which they cannot counter and they are on the retreat.</div>
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The border seems lost...</div>
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It makes the map look like this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3EmkbbJnffIROHNsrSR-FHgBu7VFL106ivDzBHPcNnxQ6qR-1DCDPX8DrFoNC6ojsQTJ3hqOkVq27VF-TKDG1P9kvUONuZlDqkBuDg9pceHatOmjLLBaeJuu51D2AN1mAi7KlsJ6pEsk/s640/KL+44.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<i>End of July</i></div>
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Significant events:</div>
<ul>
<li>28-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/10/ukrainian-company-driving-from.html" target="_blank">Impressive advance from Debaltseve towards Petrivske</a> </li>
<li>28-7 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5At0IAxNUw" target="_blank">Ukraine entered Eastern outskirts of Shakhtarsk</a></li>
<li>28-7 <a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1662603667297706&id=100006442660293" target="_blank">Ukrainian convoy with ammo truck blown up between Dmytrivka and Dibrivka</a></li>
<li>29-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/graphic-ukrainian-pows-captured.html" target="_blank">Ukrainian POWs filmed in Dmytrivka</a></li>
<li>29-7 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/03/random-graves-from-ukrainian-soldiers.html" target="_blank">Ukrainian soldiers buried in field near Russian border</a></li>
<li>29-7 <a href="http://en.censor.net.ua/news/295833/stepanivka_is_liberated_fighting_for_snizhne_and_pervomaisk_continue" target="_blank">Ukraine liberates Stepanivka</a></li>
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Ukrainian units drove all the way from Debaltseve to Hirne and then to Petrivske. They must have arrived near Petrivske at July 28th. Saur Mogila was <a href="http://uacrisis.org/6946-rnbo-5" target="_blank">reported to be taken</a> (but only briefly) and Stepanivka was captured on July 29th. So it seems the attack on Stepanivka came from the direction of Petrivske.<br />
Their colleagues also coming from the north, entered the outskirts of Shakhtarsk in the East.<br />
Now the pressure is on, on the Dyakove camps. A convoy including an ammunition truck got completely destroyed. The next day on July 29th some other units got a deadly surprise very close to the Russian border. They discovered the hard way that they were completely cut off.<br />
Some Ukrainians were captured and tortured by Aleksander Ivin's team.<br />
Meanwhile their camps are heavily shelled as <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/03/google-earth-now-shows-major-russian.html" target="_blank">satellite images</a> show.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWFZpYJrQnLcLT4perO-NWmgUvz5xf-MnGn2m6lVHKSWkRpCNnZcN-sBj5OuWfhKUWXWRh1b5DgTu8Zpd7YDPJk2SQaXwZLA2bh7d612kQE5SC3Ey5q8138nGebivzsdvPjN6YuRkYYXs/s640/KL+55.JPG" /><br />
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<i>Beginning of August</i></div>
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Key events:</div>
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<li>4-8 About all border camps are destroyed and abandoned, except for the ones near Dyakove.</li>
<li>5-8 <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/12/ukrainian-troops-retreat-from-russian-border-leaving-100-kilometers-defenseless-against-invasion.html" target="_blank">Ukrainian advance towards Miusynsk</a></li>
<li>6-8 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/cccpkpotik/" target="_blank">escape of border units from Dyakove</a></li>
<li>7-8 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOyPVTrJGUU" target="_blank">Pervomaiskyi checkpoint already retaken by (pro)Russians</a></li>
<li>9-8 <a href="http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrainian-liveblog-day-173-ukrainian-forces-surround-donetsk-gorlovka-cossacks-flee/" target="_blank">Krasnyi Luch cossacks flee</a></li>
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Ukrainians advance towards Krasny Luch WHILE the border units escape from the border zone traveling North around Dmytrivka. This can be understood from the (geolocated) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/cccpkpotik/" target="_blank">videos from Vitek Nikolaevskij</a>. (We'll have a detailed look at those in a separate upcoming blog, since they are essential in understanding what had happened.) From thess we'll also understand that the green areas had been used by Russia to shell the (retreating) Ukrainian units (yellow arrow).</div>
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Almost immediately after the advance there is already a deadly counterattack on the checkpoint near Pervomaiskyi.</div>
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Since the escaping border units had to travel <i>around</i> Dmytrivka, we can safely conclude that Dmytrivka was not taken by Ukraine in the Krasnyi Luch operation.<br />
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<i>Mid August</i><br />
Russian counterattack and invasion:<br />
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<li>10-8 t/m 15-8 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/08/russian-reinforcements-and-supplies.html" target="_blank">white truck charade to distract from invasion</a><div>
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<li>12-8 <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/daring-ukrainian-move-towards-krasnyi.html" target="_blank">Aleksander Ivin goes North from Dmytrivka with BTR-82A cutting off UA units</a></li>
<li>12-8? <a href="https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiH7tuOkvzLAhXKtRQKHR7dA74QtwIIHzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSb9eTOTcYPs&usg=AFQjCNGpbxXqlTUL956OCPoj7E5mY3Xxaw&sig2=DW24_x-2bcQ8nyyf6Hn5rA&bvm=bv.118817766,d.bGs" target="_blank">more border units escaped</a>? (Date is strange, probably earlier) </li>
<li>13-8 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3kPVbd4VAM" target="_blank">Gubarev declares an invasion at Marinovka border crossing</a></li>
<li>13-8 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23iXifqh_38" target="_blank">Motorola team probing towards Miusynsk</a> </li>
<li>14-8 <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26e_1408242077" target="_blank">attack from Motorola team in Miusynsk</a></li>
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With Ukraine's border units destroyed, a new phase comes into play: Russia no longer can just attack with artillery from it's own territory and will need to massively invade Ukraine. The steady but limited supply of armor so far, is not enough to turn the Ukrainian upcoming tide.<br />
To cover up for this Putin had invented the White Truck Charade which kept Western journalists busy for days.<br />
The counterattack first and mostly comes from Dmytrivka area to cut of the Ukrainian units that went to Miusynsk and Krasny Luch. The supply route for this was the Dibrivka route.<br />
Motorola's team joined in from the other side, especially to produce videos and to make it look like 'a handful of rebels destroyed the Ukrainian army'.<br />
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That makes the map look like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicGQP4Vme1q4YasGjEv6dRX21-xtiZaKArOJl7M6vOXfX0PYbxD1k-axmnNx1D7XjlJewj8wgBGScHzX5NTS86EmEKmt2WFK1YWWNLveFwvWVu1OpMxY1Q6cDuR7MnH3dytzJA-0ctuEo/s640/KL+53.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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<li>18-8 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgMOOta3r6Y" target="_blank">Krasnyi Luch area completely lost</a></li>
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The long video above shows that the entire Krasny Luch area was cleared by that day. The operation had started on the 5th of August. By the 12th it had already been firmly cut off. It lasted 1 to maximum two weeks and came at a tremendous cost in armour. It's hard to say exactly how many Ukrainians died in this operation.<br />
It's only success basically was that the border units were able to escape.</div>
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<b>Second invasion route to Dibrivka</b><br />
As shown in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2016/03/google-earth-now-shows-major-russian.html" target="_blank">the Dibrivka invasion blog</a>, the Russians created an entire road to Dibrivka through the fields, as can be seen on this satellite image:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZf1ADrmVQDzy12f7hKPKV5ADLKmd5M_5A6AojiP8h0viNq8l6SxGjkZBgwfsFyJxBLf8V-Ll_qc9Lox2UhMRWP_DeJvgaC3Ba3M8hfBAYfJNFyh3ra-eyomP9DvnJrZBfbd4g687IOUU/s1600/EM+invasion+50.JPG" style="background-color: white; color: #888888; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 13.2px; line-height: 18.48px; text-decoration: none;"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZf1ADrmVQDzy12f7hKPKV5ADLKmd5M_5A6AojiP8h0viNq8l6SxGjkZBgwfsFyJxBLf8V-Ll_qc9Lox2UhMRWP_DeJvgaC3Ba3M8hfBAYfJNFyh3ra-eyomP9DvnJrZBfbd4g687IOUU/s640/EM+invasion+50.JPG" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 1px solid rgb(238, 238, 238); box-shadow: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0980392) 1px 1px 5px; padding: 5px; position: relative;" width="640" /></a><br />
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Since the first image after 2013 dates from February 2015 it is hard to tell exactly when this road was created and whether it was used for the Krasnyi Luch operation or not.<br />
Without a budget for buying expensive satellite images, we can still use <i>the previews</i> to determine the date :-), since this road is large enough to show up on a preview. <a href="https://imagehunter.apollomapping.com/">Apollomapping.com</a> has one of the best user interfaces for searching satellite images.<br />
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On 21-9-2014 the 'road' is still not visible:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjGdtG1UWXP6FGWxMRy6HeGqYhNHZH_reqVSneYkeOmT1jsvIMiA_snKS5DcKm79wWmXdsh0KmCZpNJArw8c3kwRheryPDR1uaj0bF929l7GBGRV7Y8h8JXHFq5gvBbZ4egjyzSvq5GHM0/s640/KL+50.JPG" /><br />
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On 29-9 it is:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_Zz_qTsyNzBuXFssFOw5Yvr0iTNe6JVCHWKHYYgY2dD0SGiz09TN3CYIBiO3b-sVafVosRP6vLjxQzORmvEmhGrSSG4mx8ofJhD9vwNOtOIJFkGLTzGManrtJVsTTAb_L0aekC5-ctAg/s640/KL+51.JPG" /><br />
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Therefore we must conclude that this second route had nothing to do with the Krasny Luch operation. And neither with the Ilovaisk invasion, which had happened at the end of August. It must have served as one of the supply routes from Russia - Dibrivka - Dmytrivka - Snizhne for the next Debaltseve offensive.<br />
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<b>Conclusions</b><br />
The main <i>effect</i> of the Ukrainian Krasnyi Luch operation was that a lot of border units managed to escape from their trap. As such, one could call it a success. It came at a very high cost, but abandoning the trapped border units would have been much worse.<br />
But freeing the border units does not seem to have been the single goal. Ukraine brought heavy artillery into the area and they did try to cut off the Krasny Luch road. They must have been in a state of euphoria because of the successful progress in the Debaltseve area, that made them decide to push on beyond what could be considered wise.<br />
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It must be considered a tactical and strategical error of the Ukrainian army that they had never taken Dmytrivka. They must have been able to relatively easily do this when they traveled along the border in June. They had <i>substantial </i>forces at that moment. Why have all of them depend on a supply line close to Russia's border consisting of two pontoon bridges? Had they liberated Dmytrivka, they would have had a much more solid base to supply them. Marinovka would not have been as vulnerable as it turned out it was.<br />
And in the Krasnyi Luch operation... why did they not take Dmytrivka first? Why spread out all your forces to cut off a distant road, while you know the backdoor is open? Now Dmytrivka served as the base to cut off the Krasnyi Luch/Miusynsk units.<br />
Ukraine would not have won the war with taking Dmytrivka. Like with Lugansk Airport and Debaltseve, the Russians would have taken it anyways. But it would have been much more difficult and at a much higher cost for them.<br />
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Also see: <a href="https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8F">Ukrainian language report on the initial capture of Kozhevnya</a>.</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-7482843727930782322016-04-04T16:51:00.003-07:002016-04-08T10:08:48.950-07:00The first Russian crossing-the-border shelling into Ukraine was on or before July 6th 2014<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
Russia has been massively shelling Ukraine from Russian territory in 2014. <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=zEKFRPoUAIJQ.kJqn7sERS7Qo" target="_blank">This map</a> has recorded about most of them.</div>
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Up till now the <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/01/google-earth-shows-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">first crossing-the-border attack was on Zelenopillya</a> on July 11th<br />
The <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html" target="_blank">first recorded cross-border attack was from Gukovo</a> on July 16th.<br />
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Now a video is discovered that shows there was already a crossing-the-border attack at least as early as July 6th:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rJNrVrOzvXY" width="640"></iframe><br />
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At the time of publishing this blog, it has only 31 views. It has the title 'Бомбление Бирюкове' which auto-translates as 'Bomblenie Biryukova' but probably means something like 'bombardment Biryukova'.<br />
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Rockets or shells can be heard flying overhead, with the cameraman trying to follow their path, followed by impacts.<br />
Upload date is July 6th.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKGbkTwMKgA5OCoMvZLWy6kJxRoVPwsJlbeVYXdj1TyhBNtpJ8oS81tBU-eDc-RAnzwm8wOunt6ZCW9O9ZwWqH5_4TI3Sff8prD9sAzGRWY_KO30U3sb-1dmaDtjw7ujmVWlrz_X5fsmU/s640/Cross+border.JPG" /><br />
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In the description it even says June 22nd.<br />
Although the video gives too little clues to geolocate it with certainty, it is a typical 'citizens video' on a personal youtube account. And with 31 views it can hardly be a propaganda video. Therefore it seems likely the video was recorded from Biryukova.<br />
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When we check the mentioned map near Biryukova, we see that there is only one trajectory going over that village.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgy-nKwKFpAFRhKsHg_x3rJPVbY4Uo-fFOZPbbkLv-XTRJO0kB0x1cpAL6pVt6yONaiQ6kW2G61FIO30sAmieDIY8aTZNSCn0n5VFZNpts-k7mLb5MSdVIxWCSk225UkoTtRstJlz_QOTM/s640/Cross+border+2.JPG" /><br />
Double checking these trajectories, we find this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg34bwsnBPX-sgUP_7VBKjI6ce3XXVZExlvR6PXY8VWGyPo8A0XaIZF3iYJnbNwwrtUL4PsQNPCJ9PNJCo5TzM7U_J5VWvTZcJPpg-i5j1RKXf8lHq-i0TXXLbDxVJx3vSoiLEFc5x8ITw/s640/Cross+border+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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There are three Ukrainian camps in the area. The impacts at these camps have directions indicated by the yellow lines.<br />
#1 was mainly hit by the Gukovo-shellings. #3 was coming from the south. #2 has impacts from three directions, most of those coming from the two southern ones. These two southern ones are close enough to Biryukove to have been filmed as 'flying overhead'.<br />
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7sE6dsuW0" target="_blank">This video</a> shows that camp #2 was destroyed by July 28th. But since it has impacts from multiple directions it is very well possible that it had been shelled on an earlier date (on or before July 6th) too.<br />
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When we trace the yellow lines back to find a firing location, we can see that the most southern one leads to this position:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiM1s8unVlLCMg-LF02GFlqHhp0qMtWFJnj_vjn5RqTBNAqIZZgz9eq7gF8k68AM5hqslKpikTDVo_LtZ45MkB8mVAn6QCMNuubquItjvapVtE0eX-M3Pjhj83oGQI0lYgUIDX8bG7gozw/s640/Cross+border+5.JPG" /><br />
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(At least) Three burn marks from GRAD rocket launches can be seen in two directions.<br />
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The other single direction leads to a couple of impacts at camp #1. That is another clue that this shelling had been done independent from the bigger shellings that destroyed the camps. It seems like these might have been some 'probing' attempts, to see what the response would be.<br />
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The red lines in the image show tracks that clearly cross the border.<br />
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The earliest satellite image (after 2013) dates from 8-8-2014. So this does not help to exactly determine the date of the attack.<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
The video seems to be very authentic. It makes sense that the Russians would first try out cross-border shelling before massively doing this, in order to see in what way Ukraine would respond. Without a significant answer to this provocation, they moved on and so we got the Zelenopillya-attack a little bit later.<br />
Even though a date of June 22nd seems early, it must be clear that this attack was earlier than the others.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-84221544699498801822016-03-30T02:56:00.002-07:002016-04-08T10:09:05.939-07:00The Ukrainian Border according to Russia anno 2014 TOP TEN<div>
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 with its army.<br />
Google Earth reveals that this happened on numerous locations at the Ukrainian border.</div>
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There are locations where hundreds of vehicles passed and locations where just a team with a mortar sneaked in, shelled a border post and sneaked back into Russia.</div>
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Here is the top ten of explicit examples.<br />
We'll start with the Russian Donetsk area, where the 'official' Izvaryne border crossing is. It was the last area for Ukraine to close from Russian intrusions, but they never succeeded to do so.</div>
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Legend:</div>
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red arrow = major invasion </div>
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pink arrow = regular border crossing</div>
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light pink arrow = small regular border crossing</div>
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white arrow = small incursion</div>
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orange arrow = bigger incursion</div>
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blue area = Ukrainian camp/position</div>
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red/orange/pink/green area = Russian camp/position</div>
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yellow area = GRAD launches visible</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhAiecH9Rl68JJehP_UJBlM94kED5j84TO6S-EQmWBqVVxabTKghsJWyXXhvFeA2FZvCaHbmofZl_fzvqiI1sD-dBR4G5hhEGXPGb1uj1t6-gbwtQn_i1Okz29XiLSKyFSdcVNDMTQvxpA/s640/Border+201.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<b>Border crossing #1</b><br />
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This 2013 image already shows the border is porous. Several tracks lead in/out of Ukraine. This is either used by locals and/or for smuggling.</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhz0BTQh3g2abrDuH6ApW9WTC_hbT6P54Y4_MNlUYzwA8TEw2nY73IdFe7IZjdnNxDA6QCxISgwbur_zE59MWLv8BWKUcpklMza3OlFNTUtQPRKOaOnGL2H4MGlWQzW9Lmf-ugb2Q8Mmw/s1600/Border+40.JPG"><img border="0" height="440" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhz0BTQh3g2abrDuH6ApW9WTC_hbT6P54Y4_MNlUYzwA8TEw2nY73IdFe7IZjdnNxDA6QCxISgwbur_zE59MWLv8BWKUcpklMza3OlFNTUtQPRKOaOnGL2H4MGlWQzW9Lmf-ugb2Q8Mmw/s640/Border+40.JPG" width="640" /></a></div>
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In May 2015 the tracks are different and more profound, meaning they are still being used and used more intense:</div>
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By beginning of August 2014 we can see an attempt has been made to block these tracks again by digging another trench, but that one has been crossed too:<br />
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Also the area north of it now shows very intensive use. It looks like a dam breach :-).</div>
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On August 31st we see that the trees had been used as a parking/camping ground (green square). This is a typical practice for military vehicles.<br />
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Any one of the border crossings in this area must have been used to transport the MH17 BUK across the border.<br />
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<b>Border crossing #2</b></div>
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Not far from the first one another 'road' appeared:<br />
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This is not just a track anymore. It is so intensively used, it is a road by now. Dozens to hundreds of vehicles have passed here.<br />
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<b>Border crossing #3</b></div>
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This location shows a military camp at different stages including vehicles, right at the border with tracks leading across it:</div>
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More to the East another camp can be seen:</div>
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On Yandex (unknown date) it looks like this:</div>
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And Google Earth:<br />
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Location of crossings #3 and #4:<br />
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<b>Border crossing #4</b></div>
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At this location a complete borderpost originated!</div>
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A tank can be seen that had crossed the border and is waiting and/or guarding it.<br />
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Not far from there on November 21st a battle group can be seen positioned 2 kms from this crossing and facing towards it:<br />
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Likely they are about to cross the border there.<br />
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This geotagged photo from a VK-album shows the tent that can also be seen in the satellite image next to the trees:<br />
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More to the East a very large, newly discovered military camp can be seen:</div>
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A group of tanks can be seen driving out of the camp:<br />
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An ammunition depot:<br />
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This camp can only be seen on the 8-8 image. It was very short-lived. It means they all drove into Ukraine, probably to fight at Lugansk Airport.<br />
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Not very far from there, two Pantsir Anti Air Defense Systems can be seen:</div>
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<b>Border Crossing #5 - Dibrivka</b><br />
This is the first major invasion area, covered in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2016/03/google-earth-now-shows-major-russian.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>. The goal was to block off the Ukrainian border troops. After this invasion, the other two big invasions (towards Lugansk Airport and Ilovaisk) could happen.</div>
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<b>Border Crossing #6 - Marinovka</b><br />
As can be seen on the map above, on the Russian side it has been really busy here. The Russians had been cutting of the Ukrainian army along the border at this location. Heavy fighting had been going on back and forth. The area shows numerous battle groups and incursions. But since this is an official border crossing with a road, most traffic can't be seen. </div>
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Nevertheless this image is especially interesting:<br />
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A Russian battle group of mainly BTRs just having passed the border, can be seen travelling into Ukraine:<br />
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On the day before, they were still at the Russian side of the border:<br />
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<b>Border Crossing #7 </b><br />
A little bit South of Marinovka this can be seen:<br />
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<b>Border crossing #8 - Ilovaisk</b><br />
After the Dibrivka and Marinovka invasion areas, this is a very big one, that lead to the Ilovaisk disaster. See <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/google-earth-shows-how-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>.</div>
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<b>Border crossing #9</b><br />
This is not a big one and it is very close to the Ilovaisk crossing, but it is an important one, because it shows Russian tanks and support vehicles WHILE they are crossing the border:</div>
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<b>Border crossing #10</b><br />
This 'road' leading to the Mariupol area, was 'opened' again by Russia:<br />
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Just some examples of the smaller incursions which are countless:</div>
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Here we can see 'something' happened in a field (orange area). Very small tracks (the thin white lines) lead to and from that position. They go downwards to the border (arrow). </div>
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The tracks are too small for a vehicle. It must be from people walking. So this must have been a mortar position that was used to shell the Ukrainian borderpost at Chervonopartyzansk (near Gukovo on Russian side).<br />
After shelling they could quickly retreat to safety into Russia again.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-35580026706982913982016-03-09T14:29:00.003-08:002016-06-10T11:20:04.337-07:00One soldiers VK-album gives more info on the Russian BUKs South of Marinovka<div>
Eshi-Zhalsan Dorzhiev has a <a href="https://vk.com/album77342110_185490537" target="_blank">VK-photo-album</a> including BUK launchers and many photos geotagged near Kuybyshevo, south of Marinovka.</div>
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His album clarifies the situation with these BUKs a bit more.<br />
This of interest because BUKs at that location could have communicated with the BUK south of Snizhne that shot down MH17.</div>
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Eshi's entire album is saved, since in general when such things get publicity, they are removed in a couple of days. </div>
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This is the first part of the album:</div>
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEglrIpYfUaGAF75ycuTlR1aoagV5qP-GRMszkDjt5jHWcwqlWWFvsHK3Y201Iqv77Di-tCg51SgotT4h7jrGcs7wL5GuFu0UydL2aEGJfkzene3uLq6aOszMAdC0sHgbDmnLsIsGrLFFCY/s640/Ehsi+1.JPG" width="482" /><br />
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<b>11-1-2014</b><br />
The first photo appears on Jan 11th 2014 with Eshi driving a truck. It means the photo was uploaded on this date. It must have been taken on or before this date. But we don't know how long before these upload-dates a photo was taken.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg24hQNb1700xjgW34l0wCCYXTQZDUbCrezhHIADMVwSDFHmE4Hugzhw0WJ-PCjWRtfGZ8egzWhEoQzdnAo2ys3T4JKCn1a78W55CVdwOFflhnDmbW8kJqFTC3G_1KFQzFmIeKCZu5bhD4/s640/Ehsi+2.JPG" /><br />
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<b>2-4-2014</b><br />
On April 2nd photos were uploaded of him with team members in front of BUKs:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7UN4oQdALzdxmDTCOK-uUVWvkjDmfKwR21WrrHhM5x_6mDGDUXRo12-PPBwDpP9EDf9gU4hXF1Mo7sAASTUR10RwQvYJU2sXUZPOC_enxkEzpnXp6kFsg7Zl4zvY89-YgGtZr7OFEofo/s640/Ehsi+3.JPG" /><br />
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This photo is taken on the military base in Vladikavkaz (close to Georgia) like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMk_j1e7EugcWT6VgJWXBi1CdoyDXwzUyxuT0L5uI2tkVshzE5d99DuMrcYEdo_xzGKYs0kYJIa10h3gFpEvPU4vkQIq5w4mF56JY613_gkRAf0IWqmougQIxPipzlGR4etENtOkU61I-f/s640/Vladikavkaz+2.JPG" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjCfhgTbOB93xTf2dCaw0H4T2-VpoHqTAsbo-BrqdTaFDPUv3IKQ342PN5P7DhIjCg7lonEhpdqx5zQSX41ypb4CP5-_QT2706l7NSEnsHlEv496s271mSmICtiSxF7r9qK4hItciCK2nIi/s640/Vladikavkaz+1.jpg" /><br />
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0427,44.72566,248m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google maps link</a>.</div>
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It means the other photos with BUKs are also taken somewhere at that base:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXJbjtDw9qNqo1AqvkMSrR0t-_dsfdUvlUvlip9qhtjhLwDBMnGNBEFyWUtI9V-xVz_jOvlM7l9bpM2JZ6kHNkSMCo6ViLbnFzg3XYHZektL5VoPQXjCsT1tFen1m71jKFSDokDZ_9bUs/s640/Ehsi+4.JPG" /><br />
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On Eshi's hat it says 222, obviously the number of the BUK he is operating.</div>
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Another photo shows some more numbers:</div>
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<img border="0" height="620" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfV6V9MNqhjpAKP279fXxV9pjEAN1fw7neSdILZ80gS6PHQJz1qF50OLqFvF6WYsPwWjxq22dCK9sJJV-dRu6ikDlQ_Wg4oDIZimYQkgUpOPt0ptbCzU9LICktYhfFZ93MTpgjHJCBAaE/s640/Ehsi+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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So nr 233-loader (or TEL) and 23x launcher (or TELAR) are in Vladikavkaz too.<br />
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<b>6-7-2014</b></div>
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On July 6th there is a photo of a military plane on an airport:</div>
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-fznpPlZR4mtYE_JSD3fIuPhQAo1C2JLn3SlZf32DiQdhBM0fqk-3862u2o-1B-RnT32Y91qnGh5XOSdcUeMly7CbDTyXK4Nm5leojzhH_45VbMDJZmdx-y5FcTJr4-FHMV00nA4KHh8/s640/Ehsi+8.JPG" /><br />
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The soldiers on the photo are photographed on their back, walking towards the plane. So they are entering the plane for departure and not arriving here. The photo could not be geolocated on any airfield nearby Vladikavkaz though. Most likely it was an earlier photo when Eshi's group departed to go to Vladikavkaz.</div>
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<b>1-8-2014</b></div>
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On August 1st photos where uploaded showing his regiment: the 67th Anti-aircraft Missile Brigade</div>
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from the 58th Army.</div>
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<a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/58-%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F)" target="_blank">Wikipedia link</a>.</div>
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiODhKAl11jPo35eRIZpv31Ytu07-L_SFizqh0d3RWRevFW0WiurcoCYxL004gJK837Zl0Eu2ZN9sbKa2Qpp6gsn6iZTP3GVIrTUs_OwHfjhic_6j4GzPzZh6X1wXaci5K6SWVj-0KXnsU/s640/Ehsi+6.JPG" width="536" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiH7sNMXyOiVQYJobzC34BGxpOJU0KhdFdwiCInJY2tsS4sElAmmKm2jZ5LN614fy7jnlFi9J1j88TSOuuzWUtWe9amUyvLpsmquFTmy-WwgnxTrHFEM8EzAvm0skw7a15uuoIDY5feYVk/s640/Ehsi+7.JPG" /></div>
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Some celebration going on:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGawQ5DGeIsA5XIMu6V4B32AvM01PENFx1UN1F1jM7b0bSRyUxCJNwdrvZZUela6eVnB7icOLPRjzdMz4-gBOFhAbyvAwxvt9-9DrK5bTx98PWSBVKKCiyUm3FHmrLAkj8_6AZdT8IBp8/s640/Ehsi+11.JPG" /><br />
And also some photos of Eshi in a train:<br />
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<img border="0" height="624" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNfxTZRrbZFzBChybXT4EKXsYAoUNxJ1RV7Otc053YGIsNZRRbGxhfmTFckZ34D3vUa274o4uYcf7C4vD_X1mpagHwgRXZoYobVP7Hacs4g5rVGBmVEfXDpwHimZ_KUC1UQJ3QLDVURWU/s640/Ehsi+10.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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These photos must have been taken anywhere after the previous upload and this date. So between July 6th and August 1st. MH17 was taken down on July 17th. So the question is: was he already there on the 17th?<br />
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<b>6-8-2014</b><br />
Another photo in the train:<br />
<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfDEgOD-WEHxC6ny9oyAV-f2T-D6tOPcfVErVzp3jYFoXRW5Drc1vBYxzKk9RWHVnnpySK8g-Mzcz_OPF5QGE8v5DF2ltN_dPjzCg0bTNQ_iTkwQctBJKzjqx8-kEysO-7fAOHC4RCJuw/s640/Ehsi+12.JPG" width="527" /><br />
Not likely did he do another journey by train a week later. This must be a photo from the same trip.<br />
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On August 6th he also uploaded a photo of him standing in some bush holding his hat full of apricots with a truck and a BUK on the background:</div>
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2rgXNgvAfr0FKKqhPbpXtvvCj7-bpops858NxFtxpeU6cwOHuo3Wt4AYx1SrkTArmYCM79owZpp8hx96OAz_g_y07A8jV3xz4VFVnOsO2odqRTbcea1-PhHQGuxu6Yfno4Mjzr6mfVRI/s640/Ehsi+13.JPG" /></div>
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It means he has arrived on the BUK position south of Marinovka. Very likely he was NOT on this location before his previous upload date of August 1st. But it can not completely be ruled out, since he might have had some intensive introduction time at the location before having time to chill out and make photos.</div>
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<b>21-8-2014</b></div>
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More photos of him between trees:</div>
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9H7cdc36QyyKUgzVfxDLMtUcwl4hfu-Gh8vkl825BLX3frCByjhIbdZIO-vMQ8yq9gseDgqbBTT8CTj_gDs90tbXGcv4500gsc1fZyiIccIyAs0GffyWLPB_tRyA87_xBmM7cG_o57Qk/s640/Ehsi+14.JPG" width="532" /><br />
Barbecuing on the ground:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhydfnGzaNAzwX6CnxZ7QXcDEdtqerMpbH4RGZBEO8xmyyqRNpudDljJ7dCJfxx6J6klzfq4crhHWjsixa68_zi4GpNHrul92ab-bM-ifeq84hfXNkNHMQNwufGHNxivvklynse5hRg5Ow/s640/Ehsi+15.JPG" /><br />
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<b>23-9-2014</b></div>
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On Sept 23rd this geotagged photo of a shelter appears in the album:</div>
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<img border="0" height="614" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRKSfQqty_FyM8-tJerHjUIsvdrIJ6K0PW1HVXJLAByIbwNcPhhnNJSbCu4d7VZFarjRXOtUDsuuv0HT-fZGJf1FXEtnTWjQsJTi8e7O6Ss6Dg9iwBIUCSiYBr95whN_LvcMqF_gYzJjc/s640/Ehsi+16.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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The geotagged location is here:<br />
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjGHQ8d01r-mP-3ZWzB11wtWrYUBUPJJZrv9kJ0LV1GNH_UmepCtP983rf5kLifQsiOAh7uKRCRimUGxXe_F1eSymlMmVA_mxf7Txqsv1-z4zqNOUl2VHjP5z8dCjPWCUQ91LNjjd-pED8/s640/Ehsi+16b.JPG" width="612" /></div>
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8030546,38.969001,160m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank"><br /></a></div>
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@47.8030546,38.969001,160m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google maps link</a>.</div>
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Many more photos are there with exactly the same location.<br />
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On the dinner table:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFZaDTE9ydr_YBKtF-g1-7F9UOir19UAqxkr-0SuQfb4DkB5O2LbZkOUB51jfZRgdNiGH4KmbPMjcMOqmCn9ITlrHHu-zlI1QwsV017zjesVQetSgGbCTLdYlx9LQjlnHuJDwPi7iYH28/s640/Ehsi+17.JPG" /></div>
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A fellow soldier in a truck:</div>
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjiJiLwdGJplfAKahWMQf-8GDb1yQYI3nDpLRF83fWDzG37of0o98PmGhESI0ZfAvKUaI1MWTBgWYZBxr3T1_2MoFL7tHihKEEvSxD1myOkOkz84bE1tDrLN0KJqWN_XZ4ndPhxeSL-jOo/s640/Ehsi+18.JPG" width="528" /></div>
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Another photo of the shelter:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkp_2F1QcLeBR_L6eFeCUp8raxGZ7ioinea0oz4pEJvHFJUUQotu-VNWEs-dp20S3bXMQ6VDjY9W9JTBd9endYVTh-DDm_aiWoIFnd-WsFjG6Nw_nBEJAUUffxZ2x7rOZxPi8cgxua1y8/s640/Ehsi+19.JPG" /></div>
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This one has enough of the surroundings on it, that verification of the location is possible. The photo has been taken like this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjvje_2WY6P_6Gy8TFXPvNPlKzHdWQeRlfYgsVTuvT6984-QHrT4yIYWB6NTEgEjOUPP5ygmQIDsS23nrEv0XnSVbSwhijqltIA3FjGWMlHowHcArJbkXLuP401RLOpAtqPifBgTFGHTtk/s640/Ehsi+20.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The opening itself can not be seen in Google Earth but the sand in front of and around it can be seen:<br />
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<img border="0" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhwbPi6KTD_ygZBtsNxu8ZqA_bkZrkI8CcFdpoFxVzviSIS2o7d62D4VvzbQ9tp591ZQabssC4w336nMNoL3zZKv2stJ7mQcBd4FtMTtJDGpwTyQD0fZ1n0ASPrXAV5YYx9aSOZ8IM7zpM/s640/Ehsi+21.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The red arrows indicate the border of this sand.</div>
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This group photo was taken on the other side of the treeline:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3KHDqCK2Rf4HN8Ayrar2Bu8Lc-buL7bVJSPfj4CEpzJS8OAPHwCkINXtH-XWHfbMkeAZu4sj6en0RXUhuPQ6A2LosfeClhNqR7_2nwXHkY_Mxc6fbysWi7xzNOpVm3KsfzGqmDy0rAgY/s640/Ehsi+23.JPG" /></div>
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Like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjUc_uLbK_brRvJsmIZsgDBm6BsukfmEGZeZpYUVjYiDWVHjMoUy5ngEs5f2ZSejHKhuUpotYFu-Z07V5-veflVAuQe_1qmwuLIEErujgLFCPzaPtRqBZrGVOBIFZrN8YjjzerXHgKq1I/s640/Ehsi+22.JPG" /></div>
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This all means the geotagging was correct and the photos where indeed taken at this location.</div>
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This photo shows a camouflaged BUK between the trees:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPKciAFqkVACHYmF93ZaxrkMLLcgxULu_5ltqQlHwv0MKfzadU8HZsLiAGvn2Zpkhgyb1tDGT_Amx6ZK6aUFu4F_IDKhnthavzOFmFKN-JkVRUGFJtF8UimDnKBbu7IbUsiiQ-xHRJ8BU/s640/Ehsi+24.JPG" /><br />
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Indeed Google Earth shows several tracks in and out of the trees along the treeline here.</div>
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There are also trenches between the trees:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8FxbYTd5WzOLxP0Qbkhxpg6Q6SYFwd0KE9RDoAR6w8wvOBl5yiqJRthCqRO7XSoXN3k2I51iWOsOtQYM-7BtbmX9y64M6mFmvud0SOyGBsN93TRMdRi9e9-E5IbN5snRnNblmYTVJXhE/s640/Ehsi+25.JPG" /></div>
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The dinner table again photographed from the other side:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7S1M5r6V7ZjzUI2gQ4SApIyH9k0jebvZx524KnpzhyphenhyphenS3x1I9Kg1KVc7cGnv6eY0esSfz5UnB0wUdiR2bHF-tc0TB9njedcFfgsoiJGzdG1thGsTKUjB3OJ3fsAP2auXWqwmIOzdzYRHM/s640/Ehsi+26.JPG" /></div>
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They had installed a wooden frame next to it, to have some shelter.<br />
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More shelters and fortifications:</div>
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnPEEdrxkllbf98kSSkhg4vlQKP_qI_jUDxpq7QvbgacsRpg7bGJEEOfm1EOYT0SkkfrcRxykbrNTuesJ44foBZCtnP9J3dIS5kH5pMVRG_5_QX3gs9BWrAjvYGtMOgY3ia5eYfXKYhKI/s640/Ehsi+27.JPG" width="526" /><br />
<img border="0" height="610" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqEZFvINCW90LNcrLx9DGc1wC5icQEcPQjW1ehuwllNdl4P7NPcoTBaZ_OX884uqP4rwOeY4y9Ac46nuIVCnlPxYhfVx_cYtiboICqEFCMWEgNgMunwnPIcFvvA9AUx6st2qJ3bhfwvoU/s640/Ehsi+28.JPG" width="640" /><br />
<img border="0" height="613" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0mdgbPbBj_Ys0yliNAJQorTF-R0gRb5bFDYpnC9tPU5yQtR_EupVf_n8MMO-_2WfZldyTrMDCBXIh4roJGsRPeaZRd0zUnm8_JXZMo2F9bzeCO0MP_aQoCy1mrwtYQ4yfc5s_5clrfF8/s640/Ehsi+29.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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Another view at the dinner-area, with the barbecue on the front, the wooden frame and table on the background and a line of mugs for brushing teeth probably.<br />
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHffs4_Zxp8XWx4SozbHRIH1ntTILP7AQMIAe1E_vZgp6e3cUx66k8w9JzQuDYacqmZuDIESW0qaiw8PIomZ-dfbRq3qUcyGv8JOCfUjcZhniCjbJXIcqlIwth_ECnbK4ZKZCP9z5GHcI/s640/Ehsi+30.JPG" width="530" /><br />
More crew members:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjirD-sgQeOkiCFycFurY9GTJOJzgbV4C6tPzGlZkhu_CIiNw7CtZmvzR_UrykWq_K_VwS951EQ-DeTe6nmg7XqkOcOWKjK1fpj00AAghJIi8gobhlaHefxhHQTOZCB7fZVZkvfzM_TYxY/s640/Ehsi+31.JPG" /></div>
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This photo (taken on the south side of the treeline looking West) shows some antenna that can not be seen on Google Earth:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh85Bz9HgJKdRpdFGxGK9ZFuJvayZV7HGD-_pVSZsbbu8zX-K17FjY_Q3_xPe8GJf1romSAm0XQdDVpVCpj9XFolXoW4PwLuMHRF_wt0OrKRpL02xnzLjfFg54GzT1-l09T4bN2ObflHj8/s640/Ehsi+32.JPG" /></div>
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This is not a typical BUK antenna. So it might be possible that this is for communicating with other units and HQ?</div>
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<b>16 october 2014</b><br />
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A photo on a bridge overseeing a river:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJZSQVGw6hI1z4c33oO7iMAgOiRGuVJWxTb6vXTKx1nwLaIC17aH7sF39IiP1YzYf2VCzgWZc98uh1w06QcA7_DsOe5zK6BLX8Y4Tk5AVP7Exoc7CUzYUfcOKtkgfGDCT1xGHKlNI0yME/s640/Ehsi+33.JPG" /></div>
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It is geotagged in Rostov-on-Don:</div>
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<img border="0" height="590" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgaS8XnG_Pkx2Y7EL8htrCx_eyxrfBJ7Y1gpeh1hlJibdbhgZTTqEdEYSjs7fJP_nHKmo4GvHg3IxFQw8AQE4-Ek0yUevWujyxcQe5ykagWo81YjDFJ9o76jkgUramO4Ij1BoA72b3Cfpg/s640/Ehsi+34.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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He must be on his way back again. And he left anywhere between Sept 23rd and Oct 16th.</div>
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Nevertheless he still uploads photos from the BUK-location:<br />
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<img border="0" height="616" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjGzXR7B68ACp3hsH3NUGSXcTnFHO9cWS6ZVYRyb94Swy-6XrZskrznGewFaoqAb8xJLUWZ1WbmrgCHVgVqeEtXI3xAH1ki0-kDUss46P-uf0kQX4H7w0g-SCScQtqONs8mJH_1eqOWz1k/s640/Ehsi+35.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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<b>18-10-2014</b><br />
He is in the train again:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjyg0cKpF2d1ex883vJxtEUR5JUMHzRrbQiOWLktoDeLq_PXv4v_BYe7T-__d2yGBA6z9b5YPAX8YA8D_c3Vy-OUwKAhko2RRhwSwpsIITi1n2zREYsuE1vi58KT0dGPDV04fswm6GPW3Q/s640/Ehsi+36.JPG" /><br />
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He uploaded the photo on the 18th and the previous upload was on the 16th, so he must have traveled by train on Oct 17th.<br />
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Again also uploading photos from the BUK-location:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio3C9A9Xit1o9HbsFiT-DOtjb09VV8bckmAyN_76KBn9NxujpP7fZOefrGHOVaaJnXoF2GDSO6vrViPIJQS9utmlQuLZcFkYOyKO0tOdY7fv_tuKSA76X1EGpaTzGrLv4cHZvuoY0GySA/s640/Ehsi+37.JPG" /></div>
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<b>29-10-2014</b></div>
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On October 29th Eshi uploads photos that are geotagged at the Vladikavkaz-base again:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjq_g0it6umzTk_e5a405oFhSH9vdzV2KApRh7FCVH6uEtCxQODXcTbrqEP4wdGJqHIHSWnHqqxbpM15F_3jMJdaMGI0dpCfn41HgzlJOaL0hUj9BgqofigHqBUgzwdm02VxMfTXWcPZRg/s640/Ehsi+38.JPG" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBR3OW9Tn6371Q6ux3pfduWL13uOBGalOiEaBp4sHsD4ugAkXbJlyJSUEhFGO_rjJ1ptCONzLCJVeCNLN_12ib5m2iguuLhufQyIaB4Ape_9XJQmDKeHyupX118LAxwQSzEqBeTYumpjU/s640/Ehsi+39.JPG" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiA_kbLmZJ3ustJpLyYB089tkq4szivVJXCt3VeTHPEbRA2Ra8_mFSqhOHsKzpQCFPVN-YNKgWPulwchaBHy9CPpY3TUb5G9VGhQ1Xb63fbVQ94SPtFih3Fpi6UvWAij8GS-yZZAQJnIL0/s640/Ehsi+40.JPG" /><br />
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Based on these geotagged photos and the tracks that can be seen in Google Earth on the Sept 14th image, the entire area that is used for parking vehicles at that position is like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="446" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1Y-zl_gCsZK0HcHAD4Oqvghet-BmPwr6upiPAwBei1P4f29VFzsgUfGKfv3L_WDEwPWkkVu2VuqkUeb-SIKQQY3QCMIAtbAYcRaxbUaXtbdkLX7BXbfCl1cxBMzxCb1oG7lLaPCGMtrc/s640/Ehsi+49.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Red square = location of geotagged photos<br />
Also tracks leading to/from the camp area can be seen. On the Sept 4th image even a truck can be seen (inset) within the red square.<br />
The total area of operation for the BUKs is much larger than this camp though.<br />
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<b>Conclusions</b><br />
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After these 2014 photos Eshi does not upload anything military anymore and before this album he did not have anything military either. He has been uploading these photos from January to October 2014, a period of ten months. He typically is a conscript doing his one-year-time and he has been trained to work an a BUK.</div>
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He travelled by train to Rostov-on-Don anywhere between July 6th and August 1st.</div>
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He probably arrived at the Kuybyshevo BUK position anywhere between August 1st and August 6th. But it can not completely be ruled out that he might have already been there two weeks earlier.</div>
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He most likely has traveled back from Rostov-on-Don to Vladikavkaz by train on October 17th. It means he was 2,5 to 3 months at the Kuybyshevo BUK location.</div>
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At this point we can unfortunately not be conclusive about whether Eshi was at this location on July 17th or not.</div>
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<strike>According to the Bellingcat report <a href="https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/02/23/53rd-report-en/" target="_blank">MH17 – Potential Suspects and Witnesses from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade</a> BUK 222 was replaced by BUK 3x2 that had downed MH17. </strike></div>
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<strike>It seems BUK 222 was at the Vladikavkaz base in the first half of 2014. And it seems Eshi was operating it. This confirms that it's 'normal crew' was doing something else, such as operating BUK 3x2... </strike></div>
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UPDATE: it turns out different brigades can have the same numbers, so the argument about #222 is obsolete.</div>
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<b>Other geotagged BUK photos near Kuybyshevo</b><br />
A much used photo from another VK-album is this one:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXFYkGXzezDvCbdCWS2saXDyQhEouEwG9LmcALM_S03Z8wVrH5wO89OvlVhnGH6V-55MmSBG8ltliPSSruxRaAybgK2rUsYhB84nxFT5KSt03U-pPHZCz1sRGsGFaIFXY2Xa2wL5WcQdI/s640/6y8YxCa6AO0.jpg" /></div>
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By now it is deleted from the album, but it was in an album with a geotagged photo near the Kuybyshevo BUK position. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/03/evidence-of-russian-buk-battery-near.html" target="_blank">See this article</a>. It was impossible to geolocate it anywhere in that area though.</div>
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One photo of Eshi now sheds light on this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="560" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdWzH717mm0DykLAuEDd687sYDZ5izuxoc-dDBBENyM_Ll4AZWKgisPiloici8MJEJD6q1cD5ou6zjviYjY3vhJ2zPK1Vj11VFtDiLgtMoUttVkFJk_kq-ytY2OnWSMLcLWS86aKifhG0/s640/Ehsi+41.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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We can see the same or a similar wall. But the background differs significantly. Nevertheless both photos must have been taken at the Vladikavkaz base near Georgia, with one looking south to the mountains and the other looking East where no such high mountains are. Something like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlOq5SIGyD4XROjh__zRmvG_YQCC3p_qvWazDeCjErkNanZFf7nHrixqcN_4rMpfL-L-I9-MZJEJZLhwO7l4Jm1NGHsGHc_YSAYWzI9iPlXz_YrzsIuV2xte8QI2IHA7R_vXdEFGbzQes/s640/Ehsi+42.JPG" /></div>
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But... the BUK has no numbers and had a fresh paint job. Typically something the Russians were doing with anything approaching and/or entering Ukraine. So it is very well possible that this particular BUK had indeed been transported to Kuybyshevo. And that THAT was the reason the owner had geotagged it at that location. </div>
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Another (also deleted) photo from the same person is this one:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTFLBXaW-FD5suEshh5MN0NocW2LEy7cVC00LrmdgYrYzK3vX4qW3aDeQSGKxVX_x1md6Ox-NnVmciLsO5aEA7pdIEjLnLNcJb_JE5wLv8lcNLe6tulC61sDtBNJ0aE1rf6g3hxooavAg/s640/Ehsi+43.JPG" /></div>
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That one typically looks like a camouflaged BUK as we have seen in Eshi's photos. And therefore this one DOES seem to have been taken near Kuybyshevo.</div>
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Some particular detail on both photos is the wire running along all the boxes, obviously to prevent them from opening:</div>
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<img border="0" height="418" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyal6jws78fqQdf48yhu4Uj77vPTAIN3Cz_kYgEg9nm2BbY8uBYnP0bvBI4igbG01SzlQk0z_bBtZqbkUaFKt95PQT0dRyYJgM6GjTipeTmd6xnfNKbo9XM4VfN5ACXPX3s1sS-q0fpME/s640/Ehsi+44.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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So far I have never seen this on any other BUK. It's an(other) indication that the BUKs near Kuybyshevo indeed came from the Vladikavkaz base.<br />
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Furthermore, the soldier on the left is seen on a group photo from Eshi too:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIHMprC95P_E6DReffLzFlFhRcSbaPoD98VlhfoULoq0PmHF9agHP6GntBmNDE-wTcgaHLtukSoUi_35bQ7xES9jD0WXWllWAKtGjG0Sy4eAq3tUz_9khII86VFJzUc79_dUn5pCG_01g/s640/Ehsi+48.JPG" /></div>
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Another photo that had been geotagged near Kuybyshevo is this one:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMwmY5I-6V2RwC4QfXJojRJ8pOzE9uyDxaaSCiMVNGJmDgIB5NjIc_zJKUV-W51dtYDdpTWSzmxU09qb8CbcEG4WzffUpNuXaV5EWuBWp8aO5J9CnoFPCkItdYEaBEp0zG8fMMsOuopXw/s1600/alexandrmerkulow-19-10-14-a0194-32383.jpg" /><br />
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Note that the environment EXACTLY fits the Kuybyshevo-position, e.g. tree line, high yellow-brown corn, grass.<br />
The number is visible, but not very clear. It definitely is a BUK loader (TEL). The number might be 232 or 233 on first sight. A high contrast version shows it must be 233, since the third number has a bend at the red arrow, where the number two is more straight:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_Q2jkunA5QQJBTFIRl7JMXcFY6RHFhsKvIQIBaAxjAKtnXzb2gpuoH8zAckZSuG2DJhWxKTA7qcD6DU3NyqeXuiu_XywE8_e7MsWvCsw2C8YDHl4Mga6r87IvgbA9NnCWxbf98walA7E/s1600/Ehsi+50.JPG" /><br />
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This is the number of the BUK that Eshi is photographed with in Vladikavkaz:</div>
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<img border="0" height="620" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfV6V9MNqhjpAKP279fXxV9pjEAN1fw7neSdILZ80gS6PHQJz1qF50OLqFvF6WYsPwWjxq22dCK9sJJV-dRu6ikDlQ_Wg4oDIZimYQkgUpOPt0ptbCzU9LICktYhfFZ93MTpgjHJCBAaE/s640/Ehsi+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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And that one is a loader indeed.</div>
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The BUKs near Kuybyshevo must have come from Vladikavkaz. Exactly when they arrived there, is still unclear. More satellite images might give answer to that question, since the oldest 2014-image in Google Earth at this moment from that region is from Sept 4th 2014.<br />
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This doesn't rule out the possibility that prior to the 67th arriving at Kuybyshevo (if that was after the July 17th) a BUK radar from the 53th had been driven to Kuybyshevo to connect with nr 3x2.<br />
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<b>UPDATE 9-6-2016</b><br />
The earlier position at the Vladikavkaz base was not completely correct. With the current correct position, these must have been the BUKs on the photos:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2Ya1klF_M8lRrcTOTZrRQysUEQeegy7BTWWOX8E7U8bAIZxDpkDLvGl2pJ0Yt6x62CPormiofwAHx2tUJkVrtpq5o9TPaiGWODOCzGPDY5njeCRFBS5j8ffLs6OYhMrhwmS-O2pIjALjt/s640/Vladikavkaz+3.JPG" /><br />
Note that the photos are taken on April 2nd 2014 and the satellite image is taken on April 10th.<br />
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On August 9th 2015 these positions are empty:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi89cVwa0QESctOeemqOJlb8N_0u2KC3QZfIP6nyPFVGcprjOooBsk9zyZnTNJ-v-ZeoBE-HebBZ2Lp5_62Q53aGz39e_NmkVDjqvkRMFHoJZWIqG7xx13zNXLqlb-olDxGyjLSQ7yxE8hb/s640/Vladikavkaz+4.JPG" /><br />
On Sept 18th 2015 (other?) vehicles are back on these spots:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRbLzWGPlk9hHwBqBKbFYkocIwbJryItkwgs9SPLxXpTriemMu7xi2Y6vMPkaUz-EyelZCGsMQ5mzGluQNtDz4YK_fNNjVxq8S9rw8Q8Ku4pOjzwNmca85Sv7Ide6S3S_s_PFJhHOa7jwt/s640/Vladikavkaz+5.JPG" /><br />
This is a confirmation that the BUKs near Kuybyshevo came from Vladikavkaz.<br />
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IF YOU HAVE OR KNOW ANY OTHER INFORMATION PLEASE LET ME KNOW.</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-8301148281845286792016-03-03T14:38:00.002-08:002016-04-13T15:58:05.179-07:00Random graves from Ukrainian soldiers geolocated south of DibrivkaThis video uploaded on 29-7-14, shows Eduard Glazov, who back then was the leader of a Russian scout and sabotage group ‘Ryazan’. See <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/09/russian-terrorist-group-ryazan.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>.<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dlHJUuRCNp8" width="640"></iframe><br />
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He is driving through Dibrivka and then passes this building with antenna:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj0MUd63QnToIB3y0hKCU9_JPPtnj7YzeaQII44ZaTC-bWEeXreDxEbsA1c1UZDb_uXgNOcAX7pDMZY82L6QhkOPjQlc8razX44z_0vX2iFvP8ibU66be8rdNWpDW6iVIVbajRjVRJ_fjc/s640/Random+Graves+3.JPG" /><br />
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It can be found here:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhHIcpK_Th1qHfGjca61ICPwqoSY-EG3tqvLugFa8n0Qc9J6ObS79GkZtxgMd6CTol0P4JoQdslKucV29toGv26QeQxqAxOVGwYR5Gi-z8gB7CK7U6enOXdlFnak7FNCL9p89_z655wM64/s640/Random+Graves+2.JPG" /><br />
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Red arrow = driving direction.<br />
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Next we see some dead Ukrainian soldiers:<br />
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<img border="0" height="364" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBwjukgrFSwcWN_XYFbIuw0znq3J1F-HDWSTfziqBG3lhqOzlFNoR4z36eMCgM4oeD6O-g-CuVVLvkM9MX_c6LkupiE68bLumms3nhhpMna73SI_nf5dDN9ou6ZqEeSlqayk3PxHOVujM/s640/Random+Graves.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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And graves that are dug for them (behind Eduard):<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmU_Ii31WX7F2NRgkZ2XdCbnDN4FBJImFaZ_4yqVwaj1DXsbP-n8yDDlLRgZE-R321vJ9Q7jGcLkx_nSNFGukbVPXLIA1t81wbQnGZofVpoUQ1pRvX-zO59VvExkT3fa-up3IZTBqIIO4/s640/Random+Graves+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The location is right at the corner of a tree line and a sunflower field.<br />
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Moments later he is on the phone and we see the surroundings.<br />
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This shot shows three islands of trees with the sunflower field to the left.<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMXpPcqka106H7g5xflMS55m4KSGSRmGywFFZzs33Htz4LqeMf6eni37Dzq6kXvFyXGe2AU4s0siGsCLn7CsZ5RoqxUklwnv_om6rITJuJaJjihS-1p7CjCvK7Df7Ip2Df9HvzQDP7Y3U/s640/Random+Graves+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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When the camera turns right, we see a not straight, but indented tree line along which the graves are (far right out of sight):<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2XS7bKOrmbh6iyj4IApKQHBhxYcEH3nxgv0Sw8sI5IFkRmkh27_AWi7-IMuz_JZw9vy5d5O07nyeYxRHIWmdS538qBQWqCVbYcOq1zUfxvBAJ4t9dZlT2uPKsfmVvXxY2GYKsre4SH_E/s640/Random+Graves+6.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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These characteristics can be matched with this location:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqGkXRNlvYikyMVOVpbiLxiZYVUwNs1y3xJeRFQ8NqX9x_fpvP-CtRuBO3Yk53y51KWurunHGhZdWE5ORp6azsAxpb825t48Cr6Vdx8XP-vg1_sp76y3XNFB4U66Rs5Q68CCVX-K-vhrk/s640/Random+Graves+7.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It means the graves must be at the location where the red arrow is pointing to. <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@47.87342,39.07298,348m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google maps link</a>.<br />
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When we zoom in, we see what might be wrecks:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh70bda8vtfkSKAX2Ac7_2A7aQJmDaeZ-h4PZSwHpVKjFMgGeZv-CdIW84dsBnjlXz3aVufmaU8fUlm535JbQAlGO7ApdCBUMqgwdSos86POph1QduBBEriWXAsyEwFpVh1Phgqz54wC_A/s640/Random+Graves+8.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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But it is unclear from what date those are.<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
A couple of Ukrainian soldiers had been buried in the middle of fields, right where they had died. Probably they are registered as MIA and there family still don't know where they are.<br />
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Maybe OSCE can negotiate to have them exhumed.<br />
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Who knows how many more such random graves there are...Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-25310600419988133952016-03-03T03:21:00.001-08:002016-03-09T15:41:07.143-08:00Google Earth now shows major Russian invasion East of Marinovka<div>
Marinovka has been crucial in the Russian-Ukrainian war in 2014 because Ukraine tried to close the porous border with Russia by positioning major army camps along the border, with Marinovka being the 'entrance' for all the other units. Therefore Russia tried to cut Marinovka of in an attempt to isolate all the other units.</div>
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For a long time the area east of Marinovka has been a blind spot, because the latest satellite map in Google Earth was from 8-8-2013. Now there is a map from 22-2-2015. This is long after the incident which happened in summer 2014 somewhere between end of July and 15th, but the tracks and even some wrecks are still visible. </div>
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Earlier @finriswolf had published satellite images with a lot of Russian vehicles just before the border. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/03/never-published-before-satellite-images.html" target="_blank">See this article</a>. So we certainly know they were there! Unfortunately these satellite images are not in Google Earth (yet).</div>
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First of all, let's have a look at the Ukrainian camps:</div>
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Dark blue are the main areas with vehicles.<br />
Blue are the areas with fortified positions, but without vehicles.<br />
Light blue are the area where (a lot of) tracks are visible, indicating it might have been an artillery position.</div>
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A lot of tracks can be found in the area:</div>
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All the dark blue tracks are only visible on the 2015-image and not on the 2013 image.<br />
The light blue tracks are roads visible on both, but they are obvious connection between the other tracks and therefor must have been used too.<br />
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The broad blue line from west to east consists of multiple tracks and is like the aorta along the border that goes to all the other Ukrainian camps as well. It is used to travel and for supplies.<br />
The medium blue line in the middle is the main route from the upper camp to the East.<br />
The small tracks indicate how intensive the area was used/patrolled and these are not even all of them.</div>
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<b>Artillery strikes</b></div>
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We can see that the Ukrainian camps have been intensively shelled (purple areas):</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDFDO3ja1QW1LiYaJdmXadSosAJblfhGrAWzr-g2vzUvD8-hrpUj6tnXs3FX0-1aIdcP1BL660dSmYyVv7eJdyv8rHtkmn6ODGmb6j248jWaMJwUv1aKe_fh0D3PoGFdUDG6O4bK4pliw/s640/EM+invasion_0030.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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We can determine the direction of impact of the craters (yellow lines). Then we can follow the lines until we find an artillery position that may point in the same direction. As such the shellings can be traced back to the following positions:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT58IfirtUd-x8LWCkj76_frIF3u2lyS5yG6Amw3VMdSsteJ-ISPm5YVKZWCAkR6N0U8ot7RKKBRlOu74gn-2WC6aRI_XvXjAywry8uiwuybU8eLCCwUfDms2ot0kw-ZnyokYl3YpqGjE/s640/EM+invasion_0029.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The most Western one leads to this position:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJdyAcptO2iGUMT6ThA4e50IERKgYQC60kL5xpcUl1ix0BhMkV-ZW9HJR6cIqGOHRvtP3jjdmGzqSN6WmVIUTrn8bFOxANQn3AFSooIwEL-MU-Bq4EIUcHOx6cBjV2UyBNSu1dwFHj8YQ/s640/EM+invasion_0014.JPG" /><br />
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The size of the burn marks in the field is much larger than from GRAD rockets. The distance is 55 kms. So it must have been a Smerch attack. The direction of the burn marks corresponds.</div>
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The middle one is the artillery attack that the US used for publicity, to show that they knew Russia was attacking Ukraine:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhAno9dPcpRRE-iqQ05hUu6S4IpKJxOoQAwohowrpbyVZ2tuB7dCy_9F8zcvQDkOmv54HzjxxyjDXIjBdut_sx1jXEEvELk7h8QEMp9kiMvbaO5hY-1Gef2PGuGu2JRxaqcPNmziX3roPU/s640/BtjZ5t7CMAAseEO.jpg" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicUtH0Oz_-dkuoIkdGCMnHkOJuaX5RLdfzl4VT3B-TWXxXIq4kP2rkRd1J2DlHa4B1HuEF0iamXg2ZuK0OGXC4m0fmb1xlqi3PBkJAbWqtSuefF-0JEt5sjHyi2QC4cxrFhibp4as5-sw/s640/Btkef_EIUAASVf9.jpg" width="640" /></div>
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On the 2015 Google image, these impacts can hardly be seen anymore:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6RxZ4WU77-MyxZVQX1IliA94N7CR30zozYoxrWxIWjrQCKsxZaLVMaiGvuOe58M5N2fAtMx2LSx7Z_jHc_yrd21fSpOcaHGyhgthxyBNh9hwRrhYNIITVHQyxuMwltnbsB19ARKzhHHo/s640/EM+invasion_0015.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Also the exact position of the Russian artillery has (unfortunately) faded away:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDz-7-vhu7CoepMczX1Kbt7ELPMzcCxx96IMU0-3w14rmGNVsU5HKPG9o6Go1wYNY20AEZKmElIGM8rcPKq1Tf7InAkB03VtHOoWN-tI3K4QW_8Vm5sVW9qy7Hv5MVVyS7RZCX_t33GS0/s640/EM+invasion_0016.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The Eastern camp has been the largest and most intensely shelled area from multiple directions:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTRQmt0QBkxsrugAh5xtzJ4SUShsKVrrxuCHdgPMGIwDck62AEcpyE6KlBghfCdaeQdGHrfZdXQ83oIYtaIzSTPzsB4QxSxAwkgq7sQCMW9I_beYbh0-WMf_J9XD6U0qvdaAjBG3OF3UA/s640/EM+invasion_0026.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This already removed and geotagged photo shows the destruction in that camp:</div>
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<img border="0" height="382" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiubdHYQdHgaHmsVRtIScBW4lWTvsExKboBnMmVse8s_7KoOyzFStg2_PqP0sOfF3-_bZkoWcyoGVo1IrELIHYFl3lPywnj_4c35XEl_OkEE79CVW7yvZDtBYPGwfP7EVBisv0_l1hoKug/s640/NIrTE79STc8.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<a href="https://pp.vk.me/c618021/v618021828/1fff6/NIrTE79STc8.jpg" target="_blank">Direct link to this VK-photo</a>.</div>
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Here is another photo in that camp from the LostArmour database:</div>
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjEdiFgVOGgSjqe6lXRZRnJwt7io_tVQG4UqIiK4WQAw_1XMdv2sy8Z9sDSFGeNOR5qpv6Uk-_Q4Z40S2RrJ4p8GRJ6VvBsl6ur4wJtRtnEOJOUr_3cN0Nnhn2Pgtm8I5L0lCCjWRCLbJw/s640/unnamed+%25281%2529.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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One of the artillery shellings comes somewhere from the Kuybyshevo area.</div>
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Another one can be traced back to a position within the invasion-area on Russian side:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjv6D6LK4gU8Kqsi61D3zM5NSWXm-2w03OTirCXl-SPCRGytDLXlXThz8YxebnV27rvkyj0M6AIKK53FMFD03OGt33ijSaune0GMaiEldJvhZbRhZ3mzfsBcxFDXt2WQZMg5vI1zcdfWDo/s640/EM+invasion_0018.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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A third direction can not be found on the map (anymore), but we know from a geotagged VK-photo from <a href="https://vk.com/albums50251175?profile=1" target="_blank">Ruslan Khafizov</a> that there were GRAD launchers there:</div>
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<img border="0" height="374" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfq5wf0ppZkz7xWhCn5He_q4FuVDEatn8ujVL-pvJ-Ico0IIFVIZhQr3onC4p1Jjp7TrigK6jQe5o_k0WQ7acFsq43HNXpKaSdYWLvDrv6xDhQUVW3q2ym-u8LF_2rqJ2A-vZ2vPBtiB0/s640/Fq9dFAc9QGU.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20160303084147/https://vk.com/albums50251175?profile=1&z=photo50251175_344234071%2Fphotos50251175" target="_blank">Link to archived photo</a>.</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsEyRhJwsEgCnqaLuDKaZhP_6SclHqIuldu387GBv8AybrMIgcKjv_lf-vv_sE-UNBeeOWHYzLRujdkER4mBUUsEuOVYkqqdwhkCKi7j6RmWzOhCzNgYtoEw9Gwd16VxfAXXSNUrKO5Z0/s400/Ruslan+4.JPG" /><br />
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Note how the GRADs are on Kamaz-trucks, instead of the normal Ural-trucks. Kamaz based GRADs are very rare.</div>
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The geotagging indeed seems to fit that particular location and the direction the GRADs are pointing to, is towards the Ukrainian camp:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivp5JDxiP13TlounPIfkcNegnA7JV_Hohm93aSR_myMLou6kELhDPwBCN_chfgjz8zDHYKAPnzOsYxik4rO26v_Px6YNpFyxT3407l2fhwpAonl2eMZ1xFCfI56-KT8x9U7-CrvckiSX4/s640/EM+invasion_0027.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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For details on the geolocation, see <a href="https://informnapalm.org/20408-vs-rossii-udary-po-ukraine/" target="_blank">this InformNapalm article</a>.</div>
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The fourth direction comes from the same position where earlier the Zelenopole camp was attacked by Russian GRADs after crossing the border into Ukraine. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/01/google-earth-shows-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVA65ulIgXufVYA-a0QbDoV7hv7_4q4vhL-0qK7TaIaSihrUDQ4-qGnrLG0uu6PkNSpXQKfrrw5PfdhNQQWjsdmoUk6XsOyio9mL37PHTCTGq8XQ9OtvmFagWnminkMi8Tp8FCtbPX0aQ/s640/EM+invasion_0028.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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13 positions can be counted. (The area at the right points towards the Zelenopole camp.) </div>
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<b>Russian camps/positions</b></div>
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On the Russian side we can determine these camps/positions:</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhauL5vQZY9nu26ya4COAGHzRtSgH861tlh_O8Au78jcWWlC-oOQhYWtk7gYkvoF3HVzp-zdjEKIR9aNF3egG1-zwl8YmwCugm1Cht-YCIaV4x5DymStD15yym-mziKSseNIIoYjhkPh6k/s1600/EM+invasion_0005_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+5.jpg"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhauL5vQZY9nu26ya4COAGHzRtSgH861tlh_O8Au78jcWWlC-oOQhYWtk7gYkvoF3HVzp-zdjEKIR9aNF3egG1-zwl8YmwCugm1Cht-YCIaV4x5DymStD15yym-mziKSseNIIoYjhkPh6k/s640/EM+invasion_0005_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+5.jpg" width="640" /></a></div>
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Red areas = positions with buildings</div>
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Green areas = camps where a lot of cars had been parked.</div>
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Dark orange = fortified position with trenches</div>
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Light orange = tracks, most often indicating an artillery position</div>
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Yellow = GRAD position </div>
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The larger orange area is a bit weird:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjT4tOIf6ROyqHzWEkc9nmj0qGIRuMtcw6f7T4d8LEzz7Y6jekoMP48dQK2wIkjIU6pmZ35cAoXsxuIShM66dNbsl476Ia5Jrild3lmEIxvtpcMbhyndK_fyS8NpAp6houNRndGeAiol7Q/s640/EM+invasion_0017.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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There is a 'normal' road/path there crossing the borden (black line), but at the sides there are dozens of tracks. It means it was REALLY busy there at some point...</div>
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This location is on the 'official road' with border post into Ukraine.</div>
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@finriswolf already showed how vehicles were parked in the Northern green areas, but there are even larger such areas more to the south. This is just a sample of it, to show you the tracks leading into the trees:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9h6gGssjN0uIZ0OuACL3VkCT8FZl8ylLvW3Kl90GvkSKsXs4Y0wq_xCzvvtDIkHrPcRWK-FCzP_TfK6ejdPHd9uZGqADb_eqPSsVyIu3ox3cplhDPH25Y5aJMkKVOTtFTxE2lJAt1Xcc/s640/EM+invasion_0019.JPG" /><br />
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So in total there were hundreds of vehicles involved. I estimate that in the lower four camps some 200 vehicles may have been hidden in the trees. </div>
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<b>Russian tracks</b></div>
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When we add the tracks to the areas, we see this:</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizkH1pOI57hjnXna56IXYplf93D2NOZlB_R-kiSnGukSrPE1pvDyptWaB4PeypcMVDmPsESEA1wGh26BSSINH-GQqCFiLgzy2v0qKJSdb8nbSQHBrnCEw2gj3Ix0cq4endRUC2RiGKgow/s1600/EM+invasion_0004_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+4.jpg"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizkH1pOI57hjnXna56IXYplf93D2NOZlB_R-kiSnGukSrPE1pvDyptWaB4PeypcMVDmPsESEA1wGh26BSSINH-GQqCFiLgzy2v0qKJSdb8nbSQHBrnCEw2gj3Ix0cq4endRUC2RiGKgow/s640/EM+invasion_0004_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+4.jpg" width="640" /></a><br />
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red lines = unique tracks not seen in the 2013 image</div>
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orange line = general roads also seen in 2013 image, but these connect the red tracks.<br />
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Here is a sample of these tracks:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjo8Q6jnT-OjAD5ouumofpIIXJF0diwh455k593wU0FyjYR0aetRdCz5cKxr3Xh7D-3AFsRplxjD9XnNB-czeShbzu03mI7dPEqPAfg5IpEqRx08L_04dQIQJluzyP06yxeMSVUmWRfjds/s640/EM+invasion_0020.JPG" /><br />
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A couple of trucks can be seen here, but the tracks are AT THE SIDE of the road, as to spare the road for tracks.</div>
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Also at the official border post, the tracks can be seen at the left side of the area, completely bypassing it:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWq_nrzNk8x2-ILCc7exlJ6SJs6dcUjyPzQR9OghloKo6a20gWfK5SKYG2U5SA7wBNCiGGYvbcH2t86xnJsV3BGwNqtOAX4yx7zNkvla6sm0mNydcWzYU2V5-Wb7UWTNmlMrjFyhbusFY/s640/EM+invasion_0021.JPG" /><br />
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At the border the tracks look like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhN2u72TAgVVmZpxWvtaDXMk0Qei5B9AWI-SMjaEinq-vZN7dnrMMYbnv9WLQmSIAGVJrhaB3zGDjruesjc0Xb4Zr5yzqO3AhB57nYnbkxwh9VdJdDywwQZnfDhTDH2wYoitXrIY_bsCQY/s640/EM+invasion_0022.JPG" /><br />
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At this point it is not entirely clear anymore if a specific track was used by Ukrainians or Russians, or both. Nevertheless, the tracks originating in Russia leading out of it, MUST have been from Russian vehicles. Furthermore, the vertical tracks most likely are from Russians and the horizontal ones most likely from Ukrainians.</div>
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If we add a couple of tracks that are almost certain from Ukrainian vehicles, we get this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXECcvj1FE4phD3SQgXDT8AbXyTGbpWfJeiJ10H3My1u5r9RUDkoEC_Ojf1G8iBmNWAp3utSALQSdlvKsoipHJsGPGFHk0OftRTqiL8dI_RHlB3BvjGHAaxO9mX3gh29k0dJXrePyqZAI/s640/EM+invasion_0023.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<b>Wrecks</b></div>
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Next thing we can do is show the positions where there are wrecks. These come either from the satellite image itself (yellow marker with ?), or from the lostarmour.info database (a Russian propaganda site; vehicles markers). </div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtliFJH0i6uCFBoqWApvEzRjx5eAJK8Aoz5s97ALGHuLkNLd5EYdxeVv8-LxpupGb68bC6DZWKdpQeMpEMljUFfZbw6woFOnHaHNJuaO2a3WkIaABR04tS-nTzUvMHDPpgLaSgns_BQCw/s640/EM+invasion_0024.JPG" /><br />
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Here is a detailed view of what might be wrecks:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgce1vkd_Uj-4pdLLtOkmlsOQiz5GnKKn12IKlfV-4hGOWP1zzNb7VMgm1ftLoqsJaYwT6Zes1bjQ9Df6g-mDb_uqKQPjG9rv7t-mso42ydzwu-LBrSwenP2XwJ6Pj5wy-pn5bPAhyphenhyphenpGXs/s640/EM+invasion_0032.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Here is another one:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhg5pRwqa7GDgSHx76t5j_cUwsX_nlp8wJ1DbEg64ollVOgyfnA9MbMvXhKJLX4Q0LCw57i7jE7HKzItTtOkBpU2eDbfhqRopVLqhNVOe0zJiSHaClKTbMtW4OEQ8BSB2_U4VTZAqopquw/s640/EM+invasion_0033.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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From the satellite image itself it is not very clear that there is a wreck there. But here is a photo from it:</div>
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqhWqO7-fId4EDcH7hOSRYgJOVXJy8SxsTkjJs_bJWQ9Zu2NYDnjSHJT7OMFqhJ5Jd7A_5BAKrOOE23TyLTZjCqXkgxiYIrPSVHyhUEPm0qLLOVNvozDocbm_aPpoR3G_dqGlW-8eET0Q/s640/_V4og8kRasM.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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This is a Russian BMD-2 just having crossed the border and being destroyed.</div>
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North-east from this one, there is a BMP-2:</div>
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc95uFu1R6OA7FWUq_JLl1mvZB_Zl3VWASqpWfrcWoqv5tjqGs6x3OjEuhM_YfuVKXNqESs1yVBMAQmMd0D-kkSEmlWLF-yvw5aVKnlSXBj9vdXkyv-uKbtZX0TMbrF11aLOHstd5eFH0/s640/unnamed.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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Another detail of what might be wrecks:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDUaot0tnHIDnEBecco3KjyKHkVtdFDeG_BXFd6GdfFitf2TSpgFIPJ1T3Kw6re-hwj6xRJQZ_cqrkNmWYIODNghQl5GwBQ0dCRlQ4WLOszpVlkeqbCwatelfy4SW29V_JLDmsC27uYM4/s640/EM+invasion_0034.JPG" /><br />
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<b>Ukrainian shelling</b></div>
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Interesting detail is this: one small area that has been shelled, comes from Ukrainian positions south of Marinovka:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6ywRenfBrw6qvKMTNUkQ65YUsYghw9n05YXZzxPuBjzYh9YIxW-OGftdJpx7_UsQfU_zi0w0UNSK-TOlDsHHccAGqNAH6y8cw7GL-DTTdfo6YErfJdbkELwZA8IOC7388GWZYlHhYZzg/s640/EM+invasion_0025.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It means they have tried to counterattack the incoming invasion. On the larger map we can see that it is on the route from the border crossings to the Ukrainian camps.</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEy-KefWrCFpRSutEswqUWXGj_0_I-NvU7OTDsDVFCrwvQkJxOi2RHs8TeWNV6ndazymAtsR0yGKVkzHWulFfHqLRgAKF3UYpoh9AFr7l38Nbku2F6h3dUiOeK9Jq8PdTJRJFjLPcXVeo/s1600/EM+invasion_0007_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+7.jpg"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEy-KefWrCFpRSutEswqUWXGj_0_I-NvU7OTDsDVFCrwvQkJxOi2RHs8TeWNV6ndazymAtsR0yGKVkzHWulFfHqLRgAKF3UYpoh9AFr7l38Nbku2F6h3dUiOeK9Jq8PdTJRJFjLPcXVeo/s640/EM+invasion_0007_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy+7.jpg" width="640" /></a></div>
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All the tracks seem to come from one direction south:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwGFpMti6wAi-UuPY46IJKznHKUBLisC7iuJOs5kjG57oFENS9DEcFWBVmmrEJHtvyZcJEe25OXTBAZrvy-grHetatNsMQxiN0y-kL5acL1CU20espTRL6j1UCrkkujIq5fQ7lEpEK3oI/s640/EM+invasion_0001_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com+copy.jpg" /><br />
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Although it is hard to trace the tracks all the way back, it is clear from what direction they come: Russia's main hub into Ukraine, the huge Golovinka camp.</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSeuZDmY-HM40izQgL10eepiljsOOO-85ohyqvjV6qZXqOtMINqoysBGFkxyMQxJsFTxjJjrwOkIFeW8a_avO1Q0Q3J26R20YfN_dcuwzA0N4u82Y0jX3e_uW-sHbu8q0Hxha76atKgI0/s1600/EM+invasion_0000_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com.jpg"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSeuZDmY-HM40izQgL10eepiljsOOO-85ohyqvjV6qZXqOtMINqoysBGFkxyMQxJsFTxjJjrwOkIFeW8a_avO1Q0Q3J26R20YfN_dcuwzA0N4u82Y0jX3e_uW-sHbu8q0Hxha76atKgI0/s640/EM+invasion_0000_http___ukraineatwar.blogspot.com.jpg" width="640" /></a></div>
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<b>Russian soldier Ruslan Khafizovs photos.</b></div>
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<a href="https://vk.com/albums50251175?profile=1" target="_blank">Ruslan Khafizov</a> has a geotagged photo in his album with the GRADs in Kryukovo, which is a village next to this route:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6qabXdTYg1fNxhimUS2owm4-x1sWzz9aggINTSpe4VLDdf6htUUJ6CpupQmp6bSF25ONM3LlZmJBZkfnq9hvUMCZVZfZRQoUVKx_swXyrC8KYLjSEYbTZy7GBNLsFkF1SoXycpTIFheg/s640/oNubjqNtVLQ.jpg" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCfC9f7R7iQ4fN20W0x0xPXidoACA3TYuAvei3JxxQSVAbAYTIr9YUl2Ik89LNI97hON8XBkKESooYAxv9-apet7VTGyBEr3JZZhJ2-RKV731oyn69Z3VjY5gLytN7Msv12kk3UF7wOyk/s400/Kryukovo.JPG" width="400" /><br />
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<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20160303091802/https://vk.com/albums50251175?profile=1&z=photo50251175_344234069%2Fphotos50251175" target="_blank">Link to archived photo</a>.</div>
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He has another one more north:</div>
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPmCHlO5F6hyphenhyphenSjdqyOzoryeP8m3T2aZ2-rcq9oOxkTD7RFfyyIOm2WxGh-791996jtDLKleMGk5GeyC4jKKqR2vYTySrwBixVBiVY2ni_T4_W3pgDFJCL9hEtAA7_yS7p8KUuNdzS9cac/s640/zi6daohty6o.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJMQNlOEm2KbF9PFXqCGIdWXH87qhFdI-EN5M-PwlBIcea5snJY11f9CQOk4B_B36DDQ3HetHjgp46RFNkAZ2z1py7PlMe8hhBNPLBHIUEd-QN9F6VPIsAM2zDmVBfyx_YtkL6johCK7A/s400/Ruslan+5.JPG" /><br />
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<a href="https://vk.com/albums50251175?profile=1" target="_blank">Ruslan Khafizov</a> has a geotagged photo in his album from the Golovinka camp:</div>
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIboGi8N9cPaPdLBEohqwZNNv33VIz-ykr1HQvh3OtULrraj2_hMf-CY8ZRDGqido1AFDTj2hPBMxT23K3ABxY85ZUdOrkO8T4boQnIM-0lkXrv3po_5aE6sQO8xVa1a80IHa4dC_1PCA/s640/rnj-NSwYJkA.jpg" width="640" /></div>
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<img border="0" height="370" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRpFCLDAit7srBBSN4J5hxjhCs0G7RHaKQqKlxCEU-zPZUAZdyvuJjg6OCBjMwm1y-1VUTWVIwTcak0pU9bHd2VOpglxzqLDy24VE8RK9AlZe2ukDTLhP6NFqtIyAz4c4J72tYAkIfVIM/s400/Ruslan+3.JPG" width="400" /><br />
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Yet another geotagged photo shows Ruslan in another village nearby the invasion area:</div>
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNxuchLXaoEIwkk8PDixGt8FXbGxxI4jmn6RWChXFZ2JF5wAJ0OkznX6tkhlh6STwt5Y7rb3etHYwUkAoHLkncOwn0CvQVoZF_AJD1loATMMF6PvvoTCy87FGeIHbOHTV9J95tpkQEp-4/s640/e0dziZq3eKk.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="365" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNvZNpmh1x5xQ_rGb1rbNsv2eisTTKk89NEWe5RVoHrBeOihxo60cDlnwuoSnp66ILIR-GhieDn0junUUKoJQIHgLneeVpMG8ryJPTjdhCmqqc8mT-DPvEfSUrB8owYjfZdDLknKj3hrc/s400/Ruslan+6.JPG" width="400" /><br />
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These are Ruslan's geotagged photos relative to the invasion route:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2ybHVWu8aUQEW-hvQLj40hGwMD5ewiSTdUCgzPU_s51sjySmFLvceH4DAMsc8j-C3QlulC4WjfmEgxxmRiEn3OcgHAWevkigcny0XMvTMW7UizNta6zQDWi5e7sMwnaO8jM_Djd3Ke1w/s640/EM+invasion_0031.JPG" /><br />
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Ruslan's photos had been uploaded in sept/okt 2014. Just after the Russian invasion.</div>
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Later Kamaz-based GRADs have been seen INSIDE Ukraine, in <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIwyzEwflI" target="_blank">Donetsk</a> and <a href="https://informnapalm.org/19453-2b26-rszo-grad/" target="_blank">south of Torez</a>.</div>
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<b style="font-family: 'times new roman';">Main route into Ukraine</b><br />
Let's have a closer look at the smaller 'main road' to and from the Northern Ukrainian camp.<br />
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At it's most left/West position, where it enters Dibrivka, it looks like this:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZf1ADrmVQDzy12f7hKPKV5ADLKmd5M_5A6AojiP8h0viNq8l6SxGjkZBgwfsFyJxBLf8V-Ll_qc9Lox2UhMRWP_DeJvgaC3Ba3M8hfBAYfJNFyh3ra-eyomP9DvnJrZBfbd4g687IOUU/s1600/EM+invasion+50.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhZf1ADrmVQDzy12f7hKPKV5ADLKmd5M_5A6AojiP8h0viNq8l6SxGjkZBgwfsFyJxBLf8V-Ll_qc9Lox2UhMRWP_DeJvgaC3Ba3M8hfBAYfJNFyh3ra-eyomP9DvnJrZBfbd4g687IOUU/s640/EM+invasion+50.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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As can be seen an entire new path/road has been made through the field, with sand/debris being pushed to the sides.<br />
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This is true for the entire length of this path:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhD2wMEVfgy0W4xrdkMpuT7FNR3S2NlwyaH57_JOM9G7w-mAGqJEn8dfJf7Zcmw5rNCi-FDaBVmTQ1kCdtYMgKiYx4AGUCW28j6RrrYDnGmGGzvCg_SNTTX8wbT_wdVnLLG2qSNFQaZqTc/s1600/EM+invasion+51.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhD2wMEVfgy0W4xrdkMpuT7FNR3S2NlwyaH57_JOM9G7w-mAGqJEn8dfJf7Zcmw5rNCi-FDaBVmTQ1kCdtYMgKiYx4AGUCW28j6RrrYDnGmGGzvCg_SNTTX8wbT_wdVnLLG2qSNFQaZqTc/s640/EM+invasion+51.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs4FgGPOCoySfe5JmeIp02NZzFuRqAIKIaZ6CTxjjDn69EsO4rXlXHRY6KX0o172AESLfmDeXLnQbIEQjzD2AuFHO6_UoVZUXJwtfiG7TWFx0CfYJ8ZNz02AicNxDy7BvYeVKw5739l_A/s1600/EM+invasion+52.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhs4FgGPOCoySfe5JmeIp02NZzFuRqAIKIaZ6CTxjjDn69EsO4rXlXHRY6KX0o172AESLfmDeXLnQbIEQjzD2AuFHO6_UoVZUXJwtfiG7TWFx0CfYJ8ZNz02AicNxDy7BvYeVKw5739l_A/s640/EM+invasion+52.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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The road ends (or begins) here, where it joins the other tracks going East:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg12aDhuZLs4-mEQA-o5vJODvLzuyMDZxL5upDEUpNyf9Lec5D28yHAHCBOm3kyqD4uhxkMczaP5IgdkOUpZOSjwuoDoawYRkG14xzmieuYRA-Iv3EpwYAbR861kU_S26arguvpkjh0RS0/s1600/EM+invasion+53.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg12aDhuZLs4-mEQA-o5vJODvLzuyMDZxL5upDEUpNyf9Lec5D28yHAHCBOm3kyqD4uhxkMczaP5IgdkOUpZOSjwuoDoawYRkG14xzmieuYRA-Iv3EpwYAbR861kU_S26arguvpkjh0RS0/s640/EM+invasion+53.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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But note this: the main traffic/path goes SOUTHWARDS from here and not EASTWARD (see inset with red path).<br />
South is either the official road to/from Russia, or it connects with the Ukrainian 'aorta', going back West. Why would most traffic drive East just to drive West again after a while?<br />
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And also note this: there are four armored vehicles standing there in an obvious way. And it is 22-2-2015. Either these are wrecks, but then why are they not in the LostArmour database? Or they are there because on this date it is STILL an army checkpoint somehow...<br />
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Now we must connect the dots...<br />
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<li>We know there were hundreds of vehicles.</li>
<li>We have seen that there was massive traffic at the official border crossing. Where did they all go? North, East, or West? </li>
<li>At the crossing just north of this road, most traffic went eastwards.</li>
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Conclusion: the larger part of the invasion force, including supply trucks etcetera, took this route to Dibrivka and then to Dmytrivka:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgriBBb_hF4VDJi7Rb_GgO__sPALlCwyc5AFrJ09zWLjT-UtbJvPVyDfEjbCxvtjNWRc2EMMTkCFgm70ujkElJawDl_AGHN4rQbtpZxeECV0Hy22f8xcZdYkoZRWvlyJlPeNkRGZzTLzX0/s640/EM+invasion+54.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<b>Conclusion</b></div>
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Another part of the Russian invasions into Ukraine has been clarified more now. Others were the <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2015/01/google-earth-shows-how-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">Ilovaisk massacre</a> and the <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/01/google-earth-shows-attack-of-russian.html" target="_blank">Lugansk Airport attack</a>.</div>
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The Ukrainian border camps had not just been destroyed by artillery only. By this invasion the other border camps where cut off and hundreds of Russian vehicles flooded into Ukraine. This lead to the fall and final destruction of these other border camps. And it also was the prelude to and it set the stage for the two other major invasions.<br />
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The Golovinka base was the starting point of the operation. From there hundreds of vehicles drove north and set up camp 7 kms from the Ukrainian border. In the previous weeks the Ukrainian camps had already been shelled intensively.<br />
On August 12th the Ukrainian army had established a break-through north of Dmytrivka and had been driving all the way up to Krasnyi Luch, leaving the Marinovka-Dibrivka area vulnerable. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/daring-ukrainian-move-towards-krasnyi.html" target="_blank">See this report</a>.<br />
That must have been the moment the Russians invaded into Ukraine, to take the Ukrainian positions, to chase them and cut them of.<br />
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This map was drawn back then:<br />
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<img border="0" height="378" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4NGFEOolzI-cQVIsYotciW0xHbBnQC3wwp2o0_y4nkGsSCrXGZA0hDkLxxP3TSjcPEmh28_3xjdkwSina3xmMKlK420a9elbMLIzp0Evb8zQy0ozQHQe08-OHlgKBGhv9N6mmlpycuEA/s640/BTR80+35.jpg" width="640" /></div>
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Some initial battle groups took several points to cross the border simultaneously and remove all resistance. After securing a bridgehead the larger part of the vehicles took the easier route along the road and headed Northwest to Dmytrivka.<br />
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Also see: <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/09/guided-tour-through-marinovka-area.html" target="_blank">guided tour through Marinovka area after Russian army paid a visit...</a><br />
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<b>UPDATE</b><br />
This invasion was prepared and happened while Putin was distracting the world with his Humanitarian White Truck Charade. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/russian-reinforcements-and-supplies.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.<br />
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Interesting detail is that during that time a convoy with more than hundred vehicles was spotted on the road to Novoshakhtinsk.<br />
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See this videos:<br />
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We had never been able to determine whether this convoy indeed crossed the border at the nearest Dolzhanskyi border crossing. But now that we know of the Marinovka-invasion with hundreds of vehicles involved, the convoy might have been headed there.<br />
According to Google it is exactly on the shortest route from the Rostov army camp to the Marinovka-invasion-camp:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnNI6rK9vRTaviN1XKkB60RYRx_VMjkr6XXPe5c_sn329cUcXedRW8koP8j5AxO5vCX6-x_M4CdD40GbVi_n1xchp3EUSkL-lXd20FQuNjPcy0GCMwOCNTz4ZMNvjbc9TeyNo_BZ3FNOw/s640/convoy.jpg" /><br />
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That might have been one day of traveling for a convoy like that. The video says to have been filmed on 10-8-214. It was uploaded on 12-8-2014. That was just before the invasion and thus fits the time schedule perfectly.<br />
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The Rostov satellite images indeed show hundreds of vehicles disappear in that timeframe:<br />
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<img border="0" height="436" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhe09rZWiWOoGFCDNV-zYCOg4i_9f7ImarWdG_1PqIc29chj9yGhgC325Nq0hDwLEkwkssdmlI8k_lrtybhLkI5BnFmExbVMLV3_Q8c-KrOtVrrXmbfpMB6MJXss-tA-xq2U662VerOCFc/s640/Rostov+1.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_OIr9lWfWrstQo0fJjiF7PwAtWimVASTVTVU1vw9aGtC2wt_gnq3clZAKhV3i0UuZ6snILyC4M73Zbn9y9DlcEVXi5hYpRCPhgMyJPcogEUF19fkn_7m6isyRE7UudSVNNW4Sf-AcZkk/s640/Rostov+2.JPG" /><br />
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And this is interesting... North of Dmytrivka BTR-82 had been spotted (among other sophisticated Russian equipment by the way):<br />
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9So0jY8L6PhCVcb8RHfuT3v-0BNHppcv7BGxei3B1XsjDhFv6FygzYN6KvJOQuWclNt04Qv3u2szFsS4L-trWWXYEDnibMvL04aYevpptCvP7E_T9zCpabfHzLJRFkOorirvM-lTJdy4/s640/140974531994401.jpg" width="452" /><br />
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These BTR-82s had never seen before in Ukraine at that date.<br />
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It turns out the Novoshakhtinsk-convoy had BTR-82s among them too:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhACUgpEgiNVi6wi6v3yBZcjdX_8LDV5iJSDANCqwsT2TN-N-92JYNhkQWRCkvEWq8mvIRODzUkCCAz5vOrmyhYI-RtqpwBqWlwaz-fSPhPmYsZXV71jm7IJhCFEe-8PhnwS2BHihhe-pY/s640/BTR82.JPG" /><br />
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More on the differences between BTR-80 and BTR-82, <a href="http://maidanmemorial.com.ua/rossiyskiy-btr-82a-na-territorii-ukrain/" target="_blank">see this article</a>.</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-34325742011741533782015-11-30T15:48:00.001-08:002016-04-13T15:58:33.040-07:00Determining the crash site of Russian SU-24 shot down by TurkeyOn November 24th 2015 Turkey shot down a Russian SU-24, because it had violated Turkey's airspace.<br />
On the same day a video was released of rebels destroying a Russian MI8 helicopter with a TOW.<br />
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In this blog we'll geolocate the videos and crash sites.<br />
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This video from the Russian ANNA News explains what happened (beware of propaganda/lies):<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/umsp9wIjolY" width="640"></iframe>
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In the footage a bridge can be seen with a road on the background:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpAO0jNOhhxc7WTDoRdyc89zQcwUbvBxrVAPIWChw9iliCvfEDNbIzyucmvhgZi2j-hbGEMkVhNu5e998NI7AjefTuHRTP9cVGoNPYAXW6nFvqm5SZDMt7URyfkxV62d5i3kWiMssKJCA/s640/Bridge.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The bridge is likely for a train. A highway-bridge would be much larger.<br />
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On Google Maps it shows there is only one railway in that area (red line):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhicJ6mkZkhOJZRkhGw4PQ9KJgWwvhJmeqSE4HnMaf1b2G9bTpQSBD3GTpU0lW78dmpiokK8k4ypOam1kZh4Vj-yVlJK-mqEhy_EQyVeJnEMnVIzkjZ00t47VuoAYJr9thm2vxmY9O7Bqw/s640/Bridge+2.JPG" /><br />
Following that railway in Google Earth, we can see there are two bridges that look like the one in the video. Bridge #2 matches the situation seen in the video.<br />
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Now we determine the approximate angle and direction of the camera in that shot. We can simply draw a line in GE starting at the bridge at an angle and look down that line to see when and where the shot matches.<br />
It turns out they are on this hill, with the roof of a house just in front of them:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhlzfYLKUx11yNaZM8djcqc-EZUHN6x87EezAdYNQVeW6d777JcAXFPDtuQ82JBGd7OXyexX1SsllG9_obR-gxb-pvhyphenhypheniaiaCf3NndtcC5bKIwiqLgCijyzBPe1t_v-8VudSrvwofJVtGg/s640/bridge+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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From here we can determine most of the other shots and directions and we get this situation map:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEfrEbrsTTHBjv4eIcxjFY7nzeNNrI64QRjRR6DsGe7kx50xvg1mMOy-ZnIdCnuHfu-KKzgIcifJ951a-lUr_k9K4eukOVwChiSSF4DIJ56npAe5XEQQ8do7Atz8UEBLw1PfR_vYWyyRI/s640/Helicopter+1.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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There is a fire on the opposite hillside (and quite far from the helicopter position too):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuKJ3iAIaRDO0JRAzGTXNSe2rhWwr_KaznXyxBLm5py8D0YJjf4ml7EpVQ1qoineUdek_IBrLGiooDF75TbC98RMKalAOhQPEs8yRRoa8r-V6eUaUcYZ1a3cBsHxEhBdu_bnJOHRL-RGk/s640/Helicopter+9.jpg" /><br />
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The helicopter is parked outside a fenced terrain with a house:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRlnEYS4ta6qrcksLqFXRiITPEFdKTpmEOC6cFLxbOdXBfjQAn465sjRz9rQXGuLGa1OttKNIlha2rMa_ZWyfkvuz4c_rP_r9vbKByg8kVs7pyzJG-wGDYhh7SHomiZeFhaao8_-QEItc/s640/Anna.JPG" /><br />
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There is another camera/crew filming from another hill:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhi5ze2kiydFZaA25IlscCHkd-DhHiJIB30ALQacmpELsYy4V-x2CuN2jqE4xXiaWIsbkL21Po_tpegEiGb1HCbLak3u_mRzhN3Wwvh3P25pQJ2Dd9gmaZteDEQNrt1dMyIMx0xh_d0ImU/s640/Anna+2.JPG" /><br />
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Red circle = parked helicopter.<br />
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Now that we know the position of the helicopter, we can go to the footage of the rebels shooting the helicopter with a TOW:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8p2Coefjxic" width="640"></iframe>
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This shot shows the helicopter:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjPcXwGQR-2PSL-8gH7xhMRyRnjtBAXs8WAvOz3OsJCgWe3uAKPXIjT8fjdXfZDxmHMHPGB2hwB0CWhJzYlpcqUQfKrQZPegKno0mEyUEJXBWT7Uvy7_PyBYh8WkWN9UPsO9-sbxl5EU3s/s640/TOW+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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We look at the backside of the heli and on the right side we can see the wall almost in line with the view.<br />
It means we can draw a line on GE again into that direction. Along that line the TOW-position must be found.<br />
Furthermore the sound of the TOW starts at 1:22 and the hit comes at 1:33. That's after 11 seconds. From <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW" target="_blank">wikipedia</a> we can learn that a TOW travels at max 278-320 meters per second. So the distance should be max 3-3,5 kms.<br />
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Along that line and within the max distance we can see a hill with houses as we saw in the video too:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhi3coYhZE_hngXHjr6nDHnPBUR1AL8DwiCqNr0feiDNvmd4O6175yNBj7OopRbDLtEGmPJtsyuVZ_JF3SwfvujCuwF4p5prPZy0qSwyZqn2qnYPsxsvfA4GPQ3hQuGJXxdz1_VW8RQY8w/s640/TOW+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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These house can indeed be matched:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgoZRtQAUo53CU_lxw-1r1a2WEcjm7nSQf9Oa7OeXAmKEVxIiONgwyVQc0pJ99TMcmZXfN5xKdwWfV5270eAE5-08mhdph1TAK4EIzrdBSEvzVJk5_NkYBuS2Vpz5BO5IQU8oQbEdlfaqs/s640/TOW+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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A small path, as seen in the video can also be seen, so it must have been positioned on this path:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAsmLFkMsjsj1GugfM9adkF9RE4XkXLEHqLuhDjlQ_evXBMDiBHgL9R0UJ79yqT-48B3W5dhAn67K55tuwbe9oHP46StTV9ET6RB2VkASjJcGdE3cFd0Wp7IN5PFEgHGWNL8beQo_5kxA/s640/TOW+6.JPG" /><br />
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Since this point of view is EXACTLY in the opposite direction of camera two in the ANNA video, it might very well have been possible that they filmed this location.<br />
And it turns out they did:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0v-BpA8uG5T7S2AFHi2y3Tp4mZbqbb5Ln7kZnOoDewKnimTDFGSCN9rzNtenQt4b57wkPKQL7d1kglcQlOIzQV16G1PXt1XZmcRacXpk-JpnrsbmhXEFDgdmKZqwPp_Bljs9godUB7yo/s640/Helicopter+7.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA9RXfwaJIa2aqvNULO5Hjg_QkzMdLufziIu8B8EWbKbyq0dGiFAAokt2mmPbZ7Ds8jjKtLzPz2fpujoYEXhTG-z13wXa4glM6HRFzFvX8Vs2wgUtYiau24d5ApiN9ybAnM79cFzhZk_4/s640/Helicopter+8.jpg" /><br />
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In the beginning ANNA News filmed the smoke plume of the crashed SU-24:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWhRyod4tZSfYLrdfpwMjGDGlmZVaMV25dvWGPIQl6OVnYjO4U4cFgYCUZF5jfxS0-5hwpM-Ql-TlY1iUnMzk0NeRqA5NXYQ1A4jvIVBWXLWsIlMkMReH6KKVWQQ3Zcpt6Uv85NIlJ-3c/s640/Helicopter+4.jpg" /><br />
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This was filmed from a slightly higher position. But in GE we can match the view with the video like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="462" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhMbqHWurw8EHLEtUBMzM3UhbRE-M4HAFrcKfJ1VJbYaQfcULEZSIRfIPQk54_MZ4z5s0jjJ-NZ-DoeH7IS_GOSJA4_p9QGXu4sNItw5SuuNVqUVZ6o2eXjuXnyON4EWK1NoAsLpqNN6FI/s640/crash.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Then we draw a line starting from the camera position towards the smoke plume (blue line). It simply means the SU-24 must have crashed somewhere along that line.<br />
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Turkey has released a map with the alleged route of the SU-24. In Google Earth we can make an overlay and put this map to it's right position:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhIeR17An1qPQcbUWDM8oiyZsHbAPDOVXGjQV6Cwsen7F3s_HkPnD3l4E9yzWrsDnbtNuyC6zjwy6MrGQWkWsX0ztdf82viIFmKt_eXenJAeZSA0VKNMaSh5gwsXjFqm_oOibwht2LwIY/s640/SU24.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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IF... the Turkeys data is correct, we now have a rather narrow area where the SU-24 might have crashed.<br />
Maybe now we can match any of the other videos...<br />
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This one seems to have been shot quite close:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2rpgKVDzOmk" width="640"></iframe>
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So, in GE we turn in 3D view around the probable crash site until we find something that looks like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3gY9spjxIkMtkTD_OoeTr6pUC_UtnDADjgut1xv-9RGVUtsmj6PUlPZeYezAagIjL-F4fOXAJoqfpAJWQYBqDcax6OO_qBZOJ59IiQCJMEmJsGs1OM6RavWxHqxes2nSLYrgbzhLdyoo/s640/crash+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It is not even THAT difficult, because most point of views don't look like this AT all. One hint that helps to narrow it down is that the smoke plume seems to drift to the right, whereas in the ANNA video it drifted to the left. It means this was filmed from opposite direction.<br />
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Here we find a match:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYVndd7kb7AbMzoAv58zZQxe0SJ-OVIvPcSE_tfqNZ-QnPSeZaMP8a3FyPP9u0I7f4TwgIFllN_3izo-GwwiDsePzyitBebBi3BAOwweqQUD6KX2sD44jPjk-1eVweD3pgOdZiozhYVOo/s640/SU24+4.jpg" /><br />
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At first I thought the shot was taken from the Turkish-Syrian border. But then 'Samir' pointed out there is a popular spot where photographer come to shoot, which turned out to be EXACTLY in the same line of sight:<br />
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<a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros">@DajeyPetros</a> here <a href="https://t.co/kpBU7Fo3vr">https://t.co/kpBU7Fo3vr</a> geolocated by <a href="https://twitter.com/ReggaeMortis1">@ReggaeMortis1</a> <a href="https://t.co/feOIXyqjh0">https://t.co/feOIXyqjh0</a></div>
— Samir (@obretix) <a href="https://twitter.com/obretix/status/671441270766772224">November 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjB8PMXKl_Yr9N6noPtGpiB5KpcGVZMo5-_6rVo7pDqkDk1sX7sItNC2QShKfmdFKwrZPhJbQnT1RsvZ8xUo4GG0UX9hnJFY9zPH0G1ztYI7EBBMWmqU-6BL1IbC86JbO3vFNTOxKlmYI0/s640/Carsh+6.JPG" /><br />
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Yayladağı'nın yüksek yerlerine konuşlanan muhabirler, Türkmenlere yönelik saldırıları görüntülemeye çalışıyor. (AA) <a href="https://t.co/sTtCNGZ3Ed">pic.twitter.com/sTtCNGZ3Ed</a></div>
— TRT AVAZ (@trtavaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/trtavaz/status/669510910067740673">November 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
Now that we have a second direction, we can see where these two lines cross and THAT will be the crash site (within some margins of error):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikehkbDsibgPgg78be4twiEQ2yBPl6b6nCjSUB9TY3y6gAAv-8DTQGzxqpLISfLJlz1JXP84b0GhS3dsBp_d9w7oKmMYlGlqpSvSWSHtq-KsQqHkU4c4Gz5jc-T901-9saHTnFVgU8iR8/s640/SU24+5.jpg" /><br />
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This happens to match with the Turkish data:<br />
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<img border="0" height="462" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgg57akvtA8XTeIXZfNSLO9N4_vuCWi5Mh0xMxN2w35R3_DVJYfODCtd7u7i0w4fncuyg4Vuz7ATnSKVzI3kX99pyPREQzDAeEV2_90S_4Q_SuruSNFco-Hn5wMjpYEDrUz_LyCtztxz1s/s640/crash+site.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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All this means the pilots must have ejected somewhere in this (red) area:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSuMNwSFE5fGtfz8Dn212wnPFnB7O9jgL8sfuX2dFpaBh0KGmOfIdaT_d6w6l80wbIwBO4eE0P77yUEoKXIz1SisWkiahl6p2UzUGsVLgij28Gt7pKeQJpKQiosbhR8J2ZuAxc-ScXH-Y/s640/SU24+3.jpg" /><br />
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And also the rebels firing at them and capturing (at least) one, must have been somewhere around there.<br />
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<b>Ejected pilots</b><br />
This video shows rebels shooting at the ejected pilots:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ka4wwP2lKas" width="640"></iframe>
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The jet appears on the left:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_SNMZGg7J8pKpVMO1X-tw9GM7EgJ7GUlHDTkMcSARQbxOSjpt7LW4fw9S5ettzGCKXN5oD96QUPS1YqpzQ7ntcnYysNA0EYtyM1qs4icHDyJXN3aagcDuC0YOeBgkkmZK_KR6G85TQlA/s1600/pilots+1.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_SNMZGg7J8pKpVMO1X-tw9GM7EgJ7GUlHDTkMcSARQbxOSjpt7LW4fw9S5ettzGCKXN5oD96QUPS1YqpzQ7ntcnYysNA0EYtyM1qs4icHDyJXN3aagcDuC0YOeBgkkmZK_KR6G85TQlA/s640/pilots+1.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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It flies almost overhead and then to the right:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkS0yXkY4C7qKO8p6eZFGulB-gDi4XI3Q3ErEzM4NAMcP6OVBHO4rkAE-9Lk2HViyexfVzd8q5jEv7lLGARZRsFMWf0-zkithpZveLV55Qunfn8Sl_L81lOmtFsuM6LJOwMu8MJHqWZo4/s1600/pilots+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkS0yXkY4C7qKO8p6eZFGulB-gDi4XI3Q3ErEzM4NAMcP6OVBHO4rkAE-9Lk2HViyexfVzd8q5jEv7lLGARZRsFMWf0-zkithpZveLV55Qunfn8Sl_L81lOmtFsuM6LJOwMu8MJHqWZo4/s640/pilots+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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It falls down at the right side:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7joRk7ycDnvBMyMWqijxSeGYcUOyaSPzwHq3ZlsB4l7sxXuCqPp4Upr2NZ6pJ920i2F8q0XoWohoukiTtroDsRM9zfST-aju0Ms6rGVfMRRL89h5sk-mDPDahSoVxYoe0FG7BF5vk4EY/s1600/pilots+3.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7joRk7ycDnvBMyMWqijxSeGYcUOyaSPzwHq3ZlsB4l7sxXuCqPp4Upr2NZ6pJ920i2F8q0XoWohoukiTtroDsRM9zfST-aju0Ms6rGVfMRRL89h5sk-mDPDahSoVxYoe0FG7BF5vk4EY/s640/pilots+3.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Behind this tree:</div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1tYUI3WrLS7Teo3-CY2RWdj9cJi1lI6ZI2aTYwOE2wgVjH-bXM9WAyyQ12wWYp6o27WfROEakdOypd6de3czf6xTOrt6Rpkqyte3oyHBFoA0tjwYS7hnW2kGc2cxMdHZYWoVvAqz2I2c/s1600/pilots+4.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1tYUI3WrLS7Teo3-CY2RWdj9cJi1lI6ZI2aTYwOE2wgVjH-bXM9WAyyQ12wWYp6o27WfROEakdOypd6de3czf6xTOrt6Rpkqyte3oyHBFoA0tjwYS7hnW2kGc2cxMdHZYWoVvAqz2I2c/s640/pilots+4.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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It seems as if they are on a road and looking at the treeline left of the road. And they are on a slope that's going upwards facing the jet path.</div>
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Since we know the flightpath and the crash site of the jet, the cameraman must have been north of it (somewhere in red ellipse):</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkfA_eByVgRo7gyPw7IbeKj6CChAMuF_QKqM6edycN5Gmqdv6doOwMlIuPsJ14CcMV0YWbDKJq4pHMXPIB2mcxICd1OGDt_GEYZbZ29SQ_taMxn0ZKBP0QOVVKrSvUpJu0M3X45sX8dCs/s640/pilots+7.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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GE shows that the roads in this area are indeed on a similar upward slope:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYMV6UveOfv5YozatOmYChPxTlj9wma24GrQ3CrpTu6ZKqniU7rWfz8wcR5bnh3DZMyHzGjiR4Rx9DnBDi6iI6B_RABoDxhWOWfqdgGDxfKENdMYUNOQAnH8wddgSAKfgzUu5Jq-npnqA/s640/pilots+8.jpg" /><br />
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In the next shot we see the parachutes coming down. The tree is the same one as the tree just visible on the right in the previous shot:<br />
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That gives us the right orientation, and it means the camera is facing Westward:<br />
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But now we can see that there is a road at the RIGHT side of this tree.Could there be double parallel roads?<br />
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In this screenshot something not natural is visible, what could be the roof of a building:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHe9VOFnLOWD1Z1hSB-EOPTOoNMebiDgrnl3CSnwBtldoK_sTjzmoalGKpJ2ZpJIlVorR-m0LZ1axVrqBlI5dlZxEOj272bSKfbVX9yjnvg07tN3g1mTzMfrBs54qq65NdvfeczpjfFQ0/s640/pilots+12.jpg" width="640" /><br />
This screenshot shows the parked cars are at an angle with the road:<br />
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Either they are on a turn there, or at some crossing.<br />
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This screenshot shows they are on an asphalt road, so we can exclude dirt roads and paths:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgG7VqvRBc3oA8ZKdhcibEzC4wywU1OzDYHigaKk4YQ6Cu98GIcWla4f_HjdT-2XRoT7Ft4pzdQe8_0wieTlDyCRmzCzzUCn4Lp2EHivXl1yPsWNhdlVH0AnhFReSgmEzG5A4D1_rKavX0/s640/pilots+11.jpg" /><br />
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The only building downhill in the selected area is here:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjR1Vb3PvFkJe9kE8ur2KFj_WMCGaq3tbEHmc33wNtXku50kT0BLEQy5NmxYVWwLISRCvs2E-hGPNe8YkV3Lvt2bFMGV1fIMbO5Au6Spl31UOD5Enu29O2ILMiDunP-OWYvMHWtw0YrYmc/s640/pilots+13.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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If this would be the right spot, their position would have to be here:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgD6mh5u20qAt4YYeur6oDHwlkxlCUvlwNk9RwCYpYzrcjdmGozFVHWvOE3zPXGxviC4bQEuTkmcAdNnxx_-lJ-e-e62YLJ1x7ORBOOfOMzDvAO0Jh_FjpVl4c7PINn3rekpc8_18vE10/s640/pilots+14.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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At that location, we find find all the elements we have seen in the video and discussed:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5Jh1qfaKQOD7zdGPKq4pI6r92nDocHvSPhIiVA94kbmcN0QpmVx5FtzaRsItpS9YwcrMaN0DNd8N7uktZZzX5WkrWiA0Gn4t6Rj8Lgk9a7eo5C9gafQGrt3l70ngnjBw01WYosEWup4k/s640/pilots+15.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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We see the parallel 'roads/lanes, the 'crossing', the trees etc. So this must be the spot.<br />
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In one of the screenshots above, a rebel is lying on the road, shooting at the pilot. He is in line with the road. That gives us the direction of one of the pilots.<br />
The other one can be seen here:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiu8htzr8lNMHP4Q6SrMiHW8YvvQ5DOev4t5Nr_G_VXZNwUC1AmO_rTFbOQOZ_epZDfJ2aUdRbu7wmtQipdY4PXfaLVEjrUnf_HcIm6M10z4u2Er3SSNvl2GNZAQJ4zmkGRuP05rcMoM9c/s640/pilots+16.jpg" /><br />
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He is more to the left.<br />
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The pilots should have landed somewhere along these two blue lines:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgALzVxeBvgEn5ws30EKKN_3Lj7ZA2CcVh4xCSpzrT28cJiqMUton2JUqlwPTDOuFATheXQLiwEyBOK6u7pL4JRLa6732Yro8pmp0RzycxwRZCF9xwnjwMwtaz1yslsK-UQSrzJNdgzESw/s640/pilots+17.jpg" /><br />
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<b>Captured Pilot</b><br />
This video shows one of the captured and dead pilots:<br />
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This screenshot shows a rebel on the road with a very clear shadow:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiytPRqc0-Mp7U7N3fglsVr7GqYTJzmAa5hidlyg9vabOjRycqsEiepZTMHfCg3Ne0oTKs9GzA6JRJ8nb69R-_RIEGBF3lSzF41ZPdUABDtwnDnMF-xpG1lQcv1azrkJltrIvJ6IYA0rRU/s640/pilots+20.jpg" /><br />
The time the jet was shot down, was at 9:25 am. With suncalc.org we can see how at that time the direction of the shadows would be (the yellow line):<br />
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<img border="0" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNJJG2YN-rTnNw-IY2RVO2HYn1r2MsydTUs1fXavejEN04bPHf-XWxt1bFDIujEeoxDG4HKE0MKypHZ_6jFJvit3lZrpiB3aBdwpfh9-TaAP20_lXD5Ng6HPi87Lp_VoCIpHMph74mans/s640/pilots+21.jpg" width="640" /><br />
We need to find a piece of road where the direction of the yellow line falls at an angle as seen in the screenshot.<br />
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Furthermore in this screenshot we can see what could be a house:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7VQaW9wFeaIac2xfI6AH4uxzfL53KcYOjbjwfo4rIBAigzY3RHCK2u7jluf_XE7pgbmlAlSPzO51O13B4oUQNSgRAdmNLT4hUvnpfjkfkTBxPBYJEsPKB0ylhrAbJxOVanVYCLBM8Iss/s640/pilots+22.jpg" /><br />
Since there is only one house downhill in that area, this must be the location:<br />
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<img border="0" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaZ6h5D4029x97QrQ5hflAkbhctYNShlFQWYtKOVDwZC0RtnFnHUCloY0uL1UuBylb7uHwBcZ9tA3b76m3PcMVJfhk58ME5qh0F8LfUTuCk_h7W0adOU0FtF4wRmAtWUxSF7DsJR1kDwU/s640/pilots+18.jpg" width="640" /><br />
This location matches all the features seen in the video.<br />
Whether the pilot landed at that location, or if he was brought there is not clear.<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
With a very high degree of certainty we have determined the SU-24 crash site. This is in line with the Turkish data. It shows the Russians have been lying about their route. The Russian crash site is nowhere in sight here.<br />
With the Turkish data being correct, it also shows the Russian planes INDEED have been violating Turkish airspace.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-70786462644374064282015-11-18T03:20:00.001-08:002016-04-13T15:58:54.546-07:00Russia/Assad NEEDS ISIS to survive <div class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-US">Without
ISIS, the world would simply want to take out/remove Assad. And it might have done so already.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US">But <i>because of</i> ISIS, it is not that simple.
Basically ISIS is a Russian/Assad created enemy to prevent the world from picking
on Assad. To understand this, please see this excellent video explaining the complex situation in Syria:</span></div>
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These screenshots tell my point:<br />
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It says: "Extremists from Syria and from around the region start travelling to Syria to join the rebels. <b>Assad actually encourages this by releasing jihadist prisoners to tinge the rebellion with extremism</b> and make it harder for foreigners to back them."<br />
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Despite his extensive atrocities, Assad was not winning and he was losing ground. Putin jumps in and assists. But he is NOT targeting ISIS as he said he wanted to do:<br />
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This <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HMG?src=hash">#HMG</a> map sets out where <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> has been targeting its airstrikes. Guess what? Not against ISIS <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RussiaVsISIL?src=hash">#RussiaVsISIL</a> <a href="http://t.co/zinCXnE2eT">pic.twitter.com/zinCXnE2eT</a></div>
— David Riley (@rileyfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/rileyfo/status/655433209203720193">October 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<span lang="EN-US">Why not?</span><br />
<span lang="EN-US">Russia & Assad do not want to take out ISIS. It is a divide-and-conquer-strategy. Keep the parties divided and thus you can rule all of them, including the West.</span><br />
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Now get this: <i>the KGB invented International Islamic Terrorism</i>...<br />
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New book reveals how a KGB operation laid the groundwork for Islamist terrorism
<a href="https://t.co/zZobpPzD99">https://t.co/zZobpPzD99</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/MailOnline">@MailOnline</a></div>
— Helen Mess (@HCMess) <a href="https://twitter.com/HCMess/status/666356394128498688">November 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If that's too much for you to read, read this:</div>
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The Mitrokhin Archive II: The KGB in the Middle East.
Overview <a href="https://t.co/u8okl9gBI5">https://t.co/u8okl9gBI5</a>
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash">#Syria</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash">#Iran</a> <a href="https://t.co/sjycR3KeFp">pic.twitter.com/sjycR3KeFp</a></div>
— Ruthen (@RutheniaRus) <a href="https://twitter.com/RutheniaRus/status/666389162979913728">November 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Understand that Putin has been a KGB-officer for 16 years. It was also during HIS service that the KGB invented/promoted International Islamic Terrorism.<br />
As a president he has learned from Chechnya that you can better pay terrorists to work for you than to fight them yourself. In Donbas Ukraine he has sent thousands of Chechen Islam Terrorists/mercenaries to fight his battles and die for him. All sent by his ally Kadyrov.</div>
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Putin Awards Ramzan Kadyrov ("Slave to Allah,Soldier for Putin") With The Order Of Honor <a href="http://t.co/HpiIUyqh1I">http://t.co/HpiIUyqh1I</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/RFERL">@RFERL</a></div>
— tsnowbird (@tsnowbird5000) <a href="https://twitter.com/tsnowbird5000/status/575125993310060544">March 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<span lang="EN-US">Now with the Paris Attacks, Putin's lies that he is in Syria to fight ISIS, suddenly find fertile ground:</span><br />
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2 G20s...2 different pictures. In Brisbane 2014, Putin was the outcast. In Antalya 2015, Putin's at centre of discussions on fighting ISIS</div>
— Steve Rosenberg (@BBCSteveR) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/666181122943004672">November 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
It is really incomprehensible that Western political leaders want to do 'business' with Putin. The Kremlin is mafia. Russia benefits from conflicts in the world. Selling oil and weapons are their main source of income. They invaded Ukraine and annexed parts of it and they are not finished yet. They do the same with other neighbours. They keep butcher-Assad in the saddle so the Syria-conflict cannot come to an end. Russia is the State Sponsor of International Terrorism. How can you ally with this man?<br />
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<span lang="EN-US">His air raids in Syria are targeting markets, hospitals, schools, a bread factory... all this to make the population flee to Europe. He uses refugees as a weapon in a hybrid war against Europe/America. </span><br />
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WHY <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyrianRefugees?src=hash">#SyrianRefugees</a> ??
Video
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> airstrikes follwoing the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAA?src=hash">#SAA</a> shelling on a popular market <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Douma?src=hash">#Douma</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash">#Syria</a> Oct30 <a href="https://t.co/q5VgjacHBf">pic.twitter.com/q5VgjacHBf</a></div>
— AEJ خليل ้้้้้็็็็ (@AEJKhalil) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEJKhalil/status/666448775116922881">November 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Why <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyrianRefugees?src=hash">#SyrianRefugees</a> ??
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> airstrikes target <a href="https://twitter.com/SyriaCivilDef">@SyriaCivilDef</a> near a hospital of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sarmin?src=hash">#Sarmin</a>,<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Idlib?src=hash">#Idlib</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash">#Syria</a> Oct21 <a href="https://t.co/sHj7yn5s5D">pic.twitter.com/sHj7yn5s5D</a></div>
— AEJ خليل ้้้้้็็็็ (@AEJKhalil) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEJKhalil/status/666450076559155200">November 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Aftermath of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a>'s school bombing in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MaarratAlNuman?src=hash">#MaarratAlNuman</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Idlib?src=hash">#Idlib</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash">#Syria</a> <a href="https://t.co/In14DyeCBT">pic.twitter.com/In14DyeCBT</a></div>
— Bilgehan Öztürk (@bilgehanozturk) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilgehanozturk/status/666170576726310912">November 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Destroying a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/hospital?src=hash">#hospital</a> in Hader, a school in Maaret Al Numan and a bakery in Atareb....this is how <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> is fighting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/terrorism?src=hash">#terrorism</a> in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash">#Syria</a>.</div>
— Asaad Hanna (@AsaadHannaa) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/666694535049822208">November 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<span lang="EN-US">And now Hollande wants us to work with him against ISIS?</span><br />
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With Hollande planning to meet Putin in Moscow next week, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> moves from strategic problem for Europe to an ally after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ParisAttacks?src=hash">#ParisAttacks</a>.</div>
— Andrew A. Michta (@andrewmichta) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewmichta/status/666889689102577664">November 18, 2015</a><br />
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<span lang="EN-US">ISIS is a monster created, fed and manipulated by Assad/Putin to fight the West. Putin does not want it to get killed.</span><br />
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.<a href="https://twitter.com/RT_Erdogan">@RT_Erdogan</a> live at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ACsummit?src=hash">#ACsummit</a> on the symbiotic relationship between ISIS & the Assad regime: "You would have to be blind not to see it."</div>
— Chris Brown (@cdbrown91) <a href="https://twitter.com/cdbrown91/status/667260010691502080">November 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<span lang="EN-US">(But Turkey is feeding the ISIS-monster too, to fight the Kurds. See <a href="https://t.co/V10tWDU7Qf" target="_blank">this article</a> for instance.)</span><br />
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<span lang="EN-US">That this monster can also turn AGAINST Russia/Putin, is what Putin experienced with the A321 full of Russians being brought down by a bomb in Sinai/Egypt. (Although it is not even clear yet that ISIS had been doing this.)</span><br />
<span lang="EN-US">This caught him off-guard. In any other situation (such as TU154 with Polish government - "it was the pilot" , MH17 - "it was Ukraine", Total CEO Margerie - "it was drunk driver") Putin/the Kremlin had immediate/solid answers to what caused these tragedies, whereas the Dutch took a year with thorough investigation before coming to conclusions regarding MH17. With the A321, it took Putin two weeks before he gave a response. It means it must have caught him by surprise.</span><br />
<span lang="EN-US">Now, with the Paris-attacks Putin suddenly knows: it was ISIS. The French and Russia have common enemies now. Hollande falls for this trick. And possibly a lot of other Western politicians too.</span><br />
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<span lang="EN-US">What Putin would really want, is to draw the West into a larger conflict with Islam. He wants the conflict in Syria to grow faaaaaar beyond its borders... meanwhile manipulating behind the scenes and having Russian territory itself staying out of the conflict zone or even growing by taking more pieces of its neighbours, all unattended by the West who is busy dealing with 'their own' (Putin created) problems. </span><br />
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Damascus Banks are still operating in ISIS areas.Assad playing a double game,allowing ISIS to get money-<a href="https://twitter.com/AymanMhanna">@AymanMhanna</a> <a href="https://t.co/LIoL7wKatM">pic.twitter.com/LIoL7wKatM</a></div>
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<script async="" charset="utf-8" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js"></script>Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-38603540538351054232015-09-02T12:47:00.000-07:002016-05-12T01:03:21.764-07:00Suncalcing the BUK and Vostok transport to Snizhne July 17th 2014Basically, since the fatal July 17th 2014 it is already known that and how the Russian BUK was transported from Donetsk to Snizhne. That story never changed. Nevertheless Russian Trolls keep trying to blur the facts over and over again. And of course questions on details remain. These are (some of) these questions:<br />
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<li>What is the exact timing of the convoy?</li>
<li>Did the Vostok convoy accompany the BUK or not?</li>
<li>Why was the BUK not found on the 11:08 satellite image that Bellingcat purchased?</li>
<li>Why did the BUK stop three times (first Donetsk, second after roundabout 'Motel', third in Torez near Gas-station) </li>
<li>Was there also an Oplot convoy of tanks to Snizhne?</li>
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Since the first part of July 17th was sunny and only later clouds appeared, it is possible to calculate (approximate) times based on shadows.</div>
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Maybe that will bring some clarity.</div>
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<b>Suncalc tools</b></div>
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A very handy tool to do this can be found on <a href="http://www.suncalc.net/">www.suncalc.net</a>, but this one does not give LOCAL time. Another one can be found at <a href="http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/">http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/</a>. That one needs some good-old-handwork, but has more precise time-control. For Ukraine the timezone is UTC +2 and DST (Daylight Saving Time). Calibrating Suncalc.net with this, we need to add +1 hour to get the correct Ukrainian local time. This can be understood as follows: suncalc.net uses the time of the users computer or even its own server. Since that is in Europe and the time difference with Ukraine is one hour, one hour needs to be added to get the local time.</div>
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<b>Illicha Avenue</b><br />
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As reported in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/reconstruction-of-whereabouts-of-buk.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>, the BUK on the loader had been spotted on Illicha avenue.<br />
According to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=93&v=MVAOTWPmMM4" target="_blank">the video released by the SBU</a> there were several telephone calls regarding the BUK:<br />
<ul>
<li>9:08 between Khmuryi and Buryat<br />Buryat reports the BUK is in Donetska nd came with a crew. Khmuryia says it won't be hidden but will be used immediately.</li>
<li>9:22 between Khmuryi and Buryat<br />Buryat says he only had one instead of two. Khmuryi says it will go with Vostok tanks.</li>
<li>9:23 between Khmuryi and Sanych<br />Khmuryi asks where the BUK should go so it can join Sanych. "Behind the motel, just before Hornostaevka," says Sanych. "Just behind the motel," confirms Khmuryi.</li>
<li>9:54 Khmuryi and Unknown<br />Khmuryi instructs Unknown that he can find the BUK "outside the Motel roundabout". He has to take as many men he needs to accompany the BUK and go to Pervomaiske where he will be a reserve and has to guard the BUK..</li>
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Since in the third phone call instructions are given to put the BUK "behind the motel", at that time (9:23) it still must have been at Illicha avenue.<br />
In the fourth phonecall Khmuryi says the BUK can be found "outside the Motel roundabout". It means it had relocated to that location (where Paris Match spotted and photographed it) by 9:54.<br />
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<b>Paris Match Photo</b></div>
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This photo does not give a lot of foothold to work with. Intuitively I would say the shadow of the cabin bends slightly forward and thus the sun coming slightly from the back. But intuition is not enough here.<br />
The big question is: what line is perpendicular to the street? If we can find that, we can review the shadows relatively to this line. But it is almost impossible to find this line, because there are basically no footholds to start from.<br />
Just to mention some problems:<br />
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<li>the pole in the middle does not seem to be vertical? But is the left one vertical than? Without definite vertical or horizontal lines it is impossible to find the horizon.</li>
<li>the road may slightly bend downwards to the side where the truck is standing, thus giving a shadow that is a little bit off.</li>
<li>the photo seems to be a crop from a video. If we don't know the center of the original photo, it is hard to tell what lines go perpendicular on the road (to compare the angle of the shadow with). </li>
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The only thing that gives a bit of a clue is light and shadows on the cabin:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhiB_xmKZ-fiI7wd_EfpnexsFJowDFKIn7AwSqEfOegS5GJq4Cls5-_q982wz__qpB6-uPxsL0IPJBbqBFiRk1ktiaJXPqc2bD26bUaYI00yYtHt4hnWNW0d7UvNfq1Xo3k9iAlgZyb8Zs/s640/Paris+Match+shadows.JPG" /><br />
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The left side is the shadow side and similar to this left side, the back side is in shadow too (all the red arrows). But there are some features sticking out and receiving sunlight, similar as the top (yellow arrows). The big square (where a window could be placed) is at the top and left a little bit lighter than on the bottom and the right. This is also because it is bended slightly, but the point is: it does receive a little bit of light, but is NOT in full sunlight yet.</div>
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The truck seems to be a Volvo FH12 6x4 model:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiV5fhL5reQuLqfly5XrEV24cXyQY5N5DGwsnoHI1DFp4fr_uk6Ddp_ARveJplUiPZMaz6gNSh8YEVLTr41TX1RSfsAhBrQ0clMsVEMlWuMb5Z3YhNnFh__YJxMC71RHZL12NPBKwPaFYI/s1600/400px-MH17_Vassili%2527s_Truck_August_1c.png" /><br />
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And the backside of these trucks (as well as a lot of others) bends slightly forward towards the top:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhG-VQ7srE5DOiZ-a_dxHYLXBeTSxa3hRDkCe8kdZQEx_aySyt29XxV4EmLdTLRWoLHQOROdgwvOSPy4SNbKD9eTgJSEOuihRJPtSj6qdlkhccQYvg42-0aNXybpFjcV-WZR6-3CRhXyBg/s640/dimensions+2.JPG" /><br />
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Assuming that the truck is parked almost exactly in line with the road, it means the light must be coming almost perpendicular to the road and slightly forwards from the truck.</div>
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When we draw this in Suncalc, we get a time of between 10:00 - 10:15:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgi_AxoMN9SanvuLqzEDiKZUrQXoOt-ZYkMK69NXV6t6Pmlt_NKul8nO0-WSkHfvR3qykCSzdFvH4UOiDxdgGdKX6Sh_fvGWupXlnKxcxSl_RNXIqneH5mFvnCsOj1A_ueuGI6RiJQLDJs/s640/Suncalc+Paris+Match.JPG" /><br />
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(If the sunlight would be exactly perpendicular to the road, the time would be 10:20.)</div>
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<i>Reported time Paris Match</i></div>
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Paris Match reported that the photo had been taken in Snizhne. Later they corrected the location and said it was taken around 11:00 in Donetsk. <a href="https://plus.google.com/+IainMartin/posts/MWyx9pgG4tN" target="_blank">This source</a> talks about this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="136" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqKU4OBavPCdWkyRMgErPiCzDeVbn9PkrDe5fLHIFzE9UFBuA-eSaixGSM7_E_5bmDltA70F7V71g0VrZRSlcdBEPfB8K9j3Tz3lpA1IW0B7XeEtf41kE7Z931SwTUfZ2yHht1Rl2FOHI/s640/Paris+Match+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The problem is, if they get one thing wrong (at first), how sure can we be about the other thing?</div>
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Their "11 am" probably is not meant to be very accurate anyways. It might have been 10 minutes before or after. So I think even we might say that their reported time might have been between 10:45 and 11:15.<br />
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Still, this is nowhere near 10:15. It means we have two options/scenarios:<br />
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<ol>
<li>the suggested shadow-calculation is totally wrong and the reported time was right.</li>
<li>the reported time is wrong and Suncalc-time is right.</li>
</ol>
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There is one small possibility how the reported "11:00" still could be right... if the journalists had their watches on Moscow time, which is 1 hour later than Ukrainian time.<br />
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Since the BUK arrived at this location just before 9:54, it has either been waiting there for some 15-20 minutes (scenario 2) or about one hour (scenario 1).</div>
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<b>Bellingcat satellite image</b></div>
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Bellingcat purchased a satellite image of the area, but couldn't find the BUK on it. I have viewed this image too and couldn't find it either. The reported time for this image was 11:08. A Suncalc on this image confirms this time. But (parts of) this image can not be published without making extra costs. Therefore no graphics here...</div>
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Nevertheless this means the Paris Match photo must have been taken before 11:08, because the BUK is not on it's location there.</div>
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This is the area Bellingcat purchased and viewed:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiORb8ObHUYQMYpTb82m5gzazYb7gm-Uev9y0QdEqM7VTYArbKpZpN-qUkD3HZVxgc4O0g3aVt0TGr2JtiKbWjYjzNAXj3x3OwYcrWELKpOwrQeSPe8wljE2YJiUPsWsbZiF5MKjpZfCIg/s640/DigitalGlobe+image+2.jpg" /><br />
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The blue icon (bottom left) represents the Paris Match location. The road to the end of this area leading to Snizhne is 12 kms long. With a speed of 30 kms per hour it would take 24 minutes to get their. It would mean the BUK should have left before 10:44 to be out of the photographed satellite area before 11:08:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWks-psjZfYUnTI9MybFm312SfukF8ne0Q6W8oMadxCCV7U-PiUv732suiUGd35Dx3FdzLkrj8ZRNA5cd0QM446xcq2uhYMk1NnjkyCUxJMfiM512dghG9asMgsQJIwikEvsMi4m9XeqI/s640/DigitalGlobe+image+3.jpg" /><br />
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With an average speed of 40 kms per hour it should have left before 10:50.<br />
It means if we can be a bit flexible about the "11:00" the BUK-loader could have left between 10:45 and 10:50 to (just) get out of satellite range in time (scenario 1).<br />
In scenario 2 the BUK-loader would likely have been long gone when the satellite took the picture.<br />
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<i>Scenario 1b</i></div>
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Another possibility is maybe that (after waiting at the wrong spot?) the BUK drove to the Vostok base at the mine and was hidden for the satellite by the trees there:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK8vKMSv3xZCsgqGuEI9qIBNqeGLMsTw_n1tlDCKkO6hrO29NjnTxsTDVxNw6JXtzaW6VmlnsmaYzuiThuS002RIMpZl3tCHMyOHMQQ1oWfd3uOStMcZRXvln8ZbSBRCWNBRHN62U8A40/s640/DigitalGlobe+image+4.jpg" /><br />
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Yellow area = Vostok base</div>
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Red ellipse = road hidden by trees in front of Vostok base.</div>
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<b>First Vostok video</b></div>
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There are a couple of videos that show the Vostok convoy that day (but not showing the BUK). The first one is this one:</div>
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/99Lgd_1Fn-c" width="640"></iframe>
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It is filmed at the crossroad right where the Bellingcat image ends:<br />
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<img border="0" height="420" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFq6BCLI6_89NIuxM70s3eAFyEaaNjoDfZrltkBoro7YwwjGrVjaVSrXzF-TqQZbMRCMJf3xCTwpycKWNGb-tnYvqFdLqh10GEw9j51IqThXPFedbaJpRU_7GIOUX1tytxsicU50jUvbA/s640/Vostok+Makeevka.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Luckily for us there are some good shadows here:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_jFwySmbouDH4QHryu18EHAu2HzNW5cafMXqKUKMbOaBcO05Lmx5hxxb-uH1L9HYBFa-HJhEwGp8wPUXrNgHMSjvrFPgAJRuJtPqFavwZgoQoBUF2nsLp4ik_DaGWlWy5ArXBzrgU5-k/s640/Vostok+Makiivka.JPG" /><br />
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The shadow of the pole runs over the path which is a little bit lower than the area where the pole is. Therefore the shadow is curved. The yellow line syncs with the part going down and therefore is not correct for getting the time. The red line syncs with the part running over the path and is more suitable.<br />
Since there is a height difference, we can not draw a line from where the pole hits the ground. We have to start drawing this line from where the pole WOULD hit the ground if it was at the same level. This is approximately indicated by the red line. We can see it runs a little bit in front of the tree.<br />
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When we draw Suncalc accordingly, we get a local time of about 10:30:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrj2dl7YIc_M1v0HpRTZzZn1-2FhyphenhyphenTraOr83gkQol4Q9BkKKCV3k3UjkfEUDDoMji8ZYHRt-51NOG8fBBl63tP33KuGde-BvzcZl7lb7M5Z141bdfsZ7zd7CjI0RFethgmHIGTCyJhzVk/s640/Vostok+Makeevka+2.JPG" /><br />
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That's interesting!<br />
It' s about 11 kms from the Vostok-base which may have been between 15-30 minutes driving for them. They might have left the base something after 10:00 am. So WHILE the BUK-loader had just arrived (before phone-call of 9:54) and was waiting at the 'Motel' location, the Vostok convoy started leaving!<br />
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Scenario 1: the BUK-loader waited about one hour after Vostok left<br />
Scenario 2: the BUK-loader likely had left at (almost) the same time as the Vostok column.<br />
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<b>Waiting at the wrong location?</b><br />
Maybe... the BUK-crew stopped and waited at the wrong location? They HAD to go to the Vostok-base and stop 'after the Motel just before Hornostaevskaya' which is the entrance street to the Vostok base. Did they instead stop 'just after the Motel' and thus missed the leaving convoy?<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjp7PoHeCT12xjcaPtQrLcgvYsuhg9nrXqARkPbwHlbhNNhgEJasW9TsHJIFvNd-eS-wchLW4mRIlOoixAWm0kbbLctzqS5ViWTWlFbcaRowvgr3TpRjBpm7WtDIMp-o2CNoHp4hPWZtqc/s640/Vostok+Makeevka+3.JPG" /><br />
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Maybe there and then they decided to let the tanks go ahead and have the BUK catch up with them? Or maybe they thought the BUK was already driving and the tanks had to catch up with the BUK?<br />
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<b>Zuhres-video</b><br />
The SBU had released a video of the BUK near Zuhres (as well as screenshots from unreleased video of other vehicles of the Vostok convoy):<br />
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The big pole in the middle of the shot gives a clear shadow:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhP40bi2OJjP-HxKs4x8Y5jPNLeEGNSMcmYrAk1x2jekFXSb2ILPEWthMhcEt62ByNeNOJcQUcSZoxZjDYuN1_cRi-BzWG6ALW05NgV99nuRLtRVx9vKh-Cq6t5iXUs_UNkXy3gO2NUYcU/s640/Zuhres.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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It's (almost) parallel to the path next to it. (The path is at a slope, but since the shadow goes alongside the path, we can still just project this line onto the map without correction.)</div>
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Suncalc gives a time somewhat more than 11:30: </div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhq5GW6hMSW7Nvn0hDviBTOEnYGmgs-SXWNBhINuqvKeTUVLFFCP0HOMPzxTN0zkTi65s-68M4v5OF_k6kBYSxupXI-yXYCiLjPkz0myXbGIe334mYz2epcqCON88P2D81XeN1WdsC_72s/s640/Zuhres+2.JPG" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #666666; font-family: "verdana" , "geneva" , sans-serif; font-size: 13.1999998092651px; line-height: 18.4799995422363px;"><br /></span><br />
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The time reported back then was 11:40, what thus turns out to match with the suncalc time.<br />
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<b>Calculated speed of the loader</b><br />
Google maps gives a distance from the Motel-location of 36,7 kms. It means if they left from the Motel at 10:45, they arrived at Zuhres after 55 minutes, the average speed was 40 kms/h. With this speed it would take them 18 minutes to travel the 12 kms to get out of range of the satellite and they would be out of range at 11:03.<br />
We can do a similar calculation if they would depart 5 minutes later and so on:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_T7MYOTAq3u893WAOZiI1AjtFDrBe3ar5_2Whv8r9SZRJqLqgcdNXj4IEo6q7C71_HDEPpR1kk2H6wujatri2xXGNZiJjgzoSJ3sK-S9kCjPjxHX7aAYfECV4S6wjqI9xML_xn9J412E/s1600/Zuhres+3.JPG" /><br />
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This shows that if the BUK would have left at 10:55 (AND if would not have driven much faster during this first part) it couldn't have escaped the satellite. But leaving at 10:50 it would. An average speed of 44 kms per hour does not seem completely impossible for the loader, but it is on the high side.<br />
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scenario 1: the BUK-loader would have to drive an average speed of 40-45 kms/h, which might be too high for such a heavy trransport.<br />
scenario 2: no problemo; time enough even at low average speed.<br />
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That last entry shows that if the BUK was hidden at the Vostok base and had immediately left after the satellite was taken, it had to drive with an amazing 73 kms/h average to arrive at Zuhres at 11:40. That seems to be too much.<br />
Therefore we should exclude the option that the BUK is somewhere hidden on the satellite. We must conclude that it was already out of range when that image was taken.<br />
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<b>Actual speed of the loader in the video </b><br />
This is the first frame the Zuhres video starts with:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjm7g_oGdaOJFE6CfcFHjzEGqjhPpYM2P-RCDWqrFEP5RlnxKy3B_BS4OIpl-K43Z3tDVL0mr_iJGvveEdUTO16-tR-o3FZnXmULz6brYr1eKquah7y4Vuqlc0ea-oVOGMh6-uqVuWc3uE/s640/Zuhres+4.JPG" /><br />
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As can be seen, the right line of the apartment building exactly continues down along the left side of the blue shed (red line):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjx_fBY8nB_PH-nv6XqRaT0XorOai-bnN8257x6nvKvzdDcIJ1NA9gx3SbMBAJxbiS0ffexXwQCdVLNlrPTo7QaYFTbxYHZINvhYM9k5S01r3dOFXZY5ZyX99rY9hhCvoTW6Gtei3q33DA/s640/Zuhres+6.JPG" /><br />
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This will help us to determine the exact location of the cameraman. Basically this one line is already enough, because we know the person is filming from another apartment building through a window. All we have to do is to draw that line (exactly) on a map and see where it ends up. But to confirm whether we are right or not, we'll check the green bush right of the big pole (green circle) and the small pole almost in line with the bigger one behind it (orange circle) too:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_4kp_GtyWnEqf6aafaecizsNc7k8EACZ0JpAAspnlrHEupJM0fiynZDgBQL5k_kC9SbzbrJo3bMSmtCIEJYxIfEB_jXqOmQTkZ2LA-o9mJquXrbj0aG1TXPGt9nZmFvAud0RYJ4ww7GM/s640/Zuhres+7.JPG" /><br />
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It is tempting to start the first point at the exact corner of the apartment building. But since this satellite image is taken at an angle, the top does not give the exact position of the building on the map. The BOTTOM does though. So we have to correct the starting point with the same amount and angle of the other side of the building (because we can clearly see it there). This is indicated by the small red line.<br />
To prevent errors like this one should find a satellite image taken EXACTLY from 90 degrees above.<br />
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Next we extend that line along the left side of the blue building (blue circle) until it hits (again the bottom!) of the other apartment building. THAT's the position of the cameraman. From there we draw the other two verification lines.<br />
One goes through the big pole (small green circle) and we can see that the bush further on is on the right side of it (larger green circle).<br />
The other one goes through the larger pole (larger orange circle) and we can see that the smaller pole in front of it is a little bit on the right side of the line.<br />
Thus this confirms the cameraman position is correct.<br />
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Note how in the first frame, the left ramp of the loader is exactly behind one of the poles:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhJk_n3uY11RrMxB58OCTNiE4sibyaY4I086E4c0HAeNnSj-C2EqvvQKYk85MbofMy0G2yCb5E_waV8H9jaf2D20lpe-Rp89OLIlA8ClSl-NwsRJvqeozcac_-IR6Ko5OMrFVCc0XCA_OI/s640/Zuhres+8.JPG" /><br />
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125 frames later that left ramp disappears behind the apartment building:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1bY0Q1JrZabJefm5ReVraarYvJtDTt6FIZTMrPyU-V9LGX2JhW149v2cK6-hjwCnJ4RwZffh3g8HIuGevvXSFpiZrqcCuffPJBo9IpfNaW1CgPMUmRMZ7eHpZ0lX8fLoY_ItsL84xqic/s640/Zuhres+9.JPG" /><br />
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Now we can draw two lines from the position of the cameraman that will match these two position of the loader on the road:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgEWu6fqC8GAsNSdF-RRP0_qohekXHMQgL3JZ8TJif4qunSqaTNg-QfbOCwZRkvbtJhIN9c9ZkzySfXF4AwNJBndKsOJwy9c-DvsdymC5SwJaJnNEV72iSM9Bghi0Dx-jU0MUj4fmzXEEg/s640/Zuhres+10.JPG" /><br />
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Again take care to draw the upper line through the BOTTOM of the building (extending the previously drawn line is the easiest way to do that). With Google Earth we can now measure the distance between those two points: 28,73 meters.<br />
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The video I downloaded had 29 frames per seconds. This means the loader traveled some 29 meters in 4,3 seconds, which is at a speed of 24 kms/h.<br />
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Scenario 1: This calculated speed does not come near to the 40-45 kms/h average speed we calculated earlier. The only thing we can say about this is that at this point the loader is driving uphill and thus must have significantly slowed down here.<br />
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Scenario 2: if the BUK-loader would have left the Motel-location at a similar time as the Vostok column, say 10:05, it would have had 1 hour and 35 minutes to travel the 36,7 kms to the Zuhres-location. The average speed would be 23 kms/h. Exactly what we see in the video too.<br />
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<b>Time difference between Vostok truck and loader</b><br />
The photo/screenshot from the Vostok truck shows a clear shadow at one of the poles (left bottom corner):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbVRtGV2ZN69BZx75jN3WMe1JbLHoSWhdAMa_4Hx6coT7EHC4PyyQBD5FJpOPnEJPwDi6fvS00adVYVFVSaUC6YiXeuzCf0ZsnqUpgzLQIJ7Q3ULJn5wH2RRS_TeIbVnEeo7vd1FTtnt8/s1600/MH17+10.jpg" /></div>
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We can project this image in the larger area (white box):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLsVTE9Hs9jDrPJ5jH_RHbaF-EcnoZiKoHVCBYgE_RBTmUIUI6PcNYetJV9w_fL2S8D06QG9Bs1axqt2sVjPHqdzt1D2zsAcFLoQoSXBgwzj5F6gCvj1voic3FlSvHAVde4EPy9PTWGQY/s640/Zuhres+13.JPG" /><br />
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And then extent a line along the shadow of the pole (white line).</div>
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Now the problem is that their is a slope on the field before the pole. That makes it very difficult/impossible to compare it with the lines of the field. But assuming that the roof of the shed is horizontal and even approximately pointing into the direction of the pole, we can extend a line from there (blue line). This blue line represents a line perpendicular to the path near the pole and by chance also happens to represents the 11:40 time.</div>
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As can be seen, the white line is at an angle to the right of the blue line, meaning it was (a little bit) earlier. According to this calculation the truck might have passed this position somewhere between 10 and 30 minutes earlier than the loader.</div>
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Scenario 1: the loader had been (or is) catching up with the rest of the convoy. Maybe the Vostok convoy had been waiting for the truck or they were driving very slowly.<br />
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Scenario 2: the BUK-loader is falling a little bit behind from the Vostok column or they had been driving a little bit behind all the time.</div>
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<b>Vostok at Shakhtarsk</b></div>
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The next video is recorded by Vostok itself and shows their convoy between Shakhtarsk and Hirne:</div>
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It is filmed at 3 locations:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiR5hApe5Ml4Q7KFLZKizWmNmPsMisC3j1hc8VhWKIqNq4YIgkYvxFmopXV2LIacU-qIEBvvaFwcIkru0gX3mu8o45I5RWJVgLsNXunv1JTV74TKhyiR6EA8ZDe1hS00oZiXo_hnzDwr_E/s640/Vostok+Hirne+7.JPG" /><br />
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<i>1st location </i><br />
Road with trees and a large building behind it:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsUH953dGnqfpKKX1UOQ1b-7J7buvuHXreoM3hOEyOgWn1JffMSQ2HEBMPREIsrYnDvCHmozNlBJuY9AKX6Hb2EotB7-oaMcQwS8hk7kUU0qUGN6os5eIOF5J-n-BFSe9uOFgeWHai8Gc/s640/Vostok+Hirne.JPG" /><br />
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It was filmed like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="420" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfmSpcQ_S5SJTiTmaG9fpqe5CsIBiEypcfkaIFCSdedrjo9QLzv5mi-aSdSBV4Cu8wpr6x0eho8MCZ0iOqQLBLckXJyIS7Vai60CW82XVlCxclEFp54r0C4TJk2zgeLB5CSLq5B7JJ6uc/s640/Vostok+Hirne+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The shadows of the tank on the road almost seem to be perpendicular to the tank/road:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn2PROBgTptWPKe9d1RAj9PjHDWDdxoKLu5g4a2nnvnMheeM3AnrQMqBcc183YmmlX1La5DCirvBYM1VzioBGKZ7xDkyktQwTMtRnBi3ARBxFy_JLFe2oyc7oGFhXXqO66OBrYMcbUW2g/s640/Vostok+Hirne+10.JPG" /><br />
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The shadows on the ERA (Explosive Responsive Armor) on the tank show that some light DOES fall on the front sides of them (large red circle):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizvOLQQ7Kdw0ywK70weAIWCxxqulaL8yT-7SeiKEljUNsUXF4f_wGKn8lrgsW6apLNg1wKbH-LNsBlngjgKZfes8Ei1rH4gJtB8TEXlXSZSuGu1FbDEh84_lZbUsJsduhtPGyqPNzb-io/s640/Vostok+Hirne+11.JPG" /><br />
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but the left/back side has shadow (small red circle). The same accounts for the others (yellow ellipses). That means the light comes slightly from the front.<br />
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On suncalc this corresponds with a local time of 12:25 or maybe a little bit less:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiHDFn-_c8WahD_nBHngo5YZ-Y4rzxiDytqeUxa7j2bzBWRwKO9w0L1fLLOLRcwP_-kWyVlGBli0RqT-xG4bqmC5KM6d2eXJop4Vz85FSi76PRyFNVdlIpzdPVj0TxggElRa6Hljn4AGqQ/s640/Vostok+Hirne+12.JPG" /><br />
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<i>2nd location</i><br />
The second scene is shot in front of this building:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi3Gg4r_VfsImTXrnI5eQOiHdV-BFIVKZVDXvi9eSCDRJJIR1CyWrFAs4bsA7jmPfGH6Cvn4QRF4wrLwsZn8-pwQYBxMhqDTjmwUCv46AUVTsxJtyvNL4_cADDtmFp-8PXevg4B5-wPx8Y/s640/Vostok+Hirne+3.JPG" /><i><br /></i><br />
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It can be found here (red ellipse):<br />
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<img border="0" height="420" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-WBrz2ZWb4OgqK1nn-YQ-BhxLbtqXn3dF-AmhbOiTC1nK1hAPNEEF5lJzxKZXs5lAlO30FIeuHTZombBxrqbSZeMyHWWhQ2jvToA2pdhP97Aa4sQE_CjTfhUVcDDTNgS90U1BBPa2LrE/s640/Vostok+Hirne+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<i>3rd location</i><br />
The third scene is shot at the checkpoint<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRB8z2uJlrHkt5oVky7JlsKJUyRTs-l-zJnIU23Tm1kfYsQVXeI7r8KrwRExUj5U2L6nGRL3HDG5aVOi5NIzqLmYbOXZ3jD0UDFmiC5Thxqqw4X-c6KkpE9ngusIsSl-MLl9qmvLmuPKc/s640/Vostok+Hirne+5.JPG" /><i><br /></i><br />
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On the map:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFOLsooQAmsyGlMdL2DXdv1kIgXeIIU6VWnvvmV3YGsDGrYfOZeEE8p_u8hR3Pwz4e52WBfkrKSXXcUL68Y8MnhUoj2XjMwgvuwvb9BYzwS_WLrMjF5X7A0uAxDutO4OYnoFnx0GokWfk/s640/Vostok+Hirne+6.JPG" /><br />
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This screenshot shows that the side of the stone we are looking at, is having/getting a shadow (in right half of red circle compared to very bright in left half).<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiXSvxTsWOJ4z1dK7pBQwyUU268hOVQvZ3UuNHSI2OqF3mgUBnGXD3Ng-JYeMbITbZdL9vrCDqvWe5dJxQssjCJTxl_3BMMhd3iD2KprDau22Y-DDpeStczFScVSLdnuv3DMsBDW3LG93Y/s640/Vostok+Hirne+13.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Therefore the light comes slightly from the West. Suncalc gives a local time of 12:40 (or a bit later):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEibRtgthI4T6NSTZZ61g2gI4XI9jLszK3FmkCokWKEyFQsai0q46qd50dEY4jnBEcN_QlLcJyMyJ0CptkZ8C7aG52kzqMbYrCX1LL1Q61mr7OzHZuHd9JR1T60RFTMGmxN0byl5jMBBVys/s640/Vostok+Hirne+14.JPG" /><i><br /></i>
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The distance from the Zuhres location to the first Vostok location is 16 kms. Assuming that the truck passed Zuhres 10 minutes earlier than the loader (thus at 11:30), they traveled with an average speed of (16 kms in 55 minutes =) 17kms/hour.<br />
This is unlikely slow. The only good explanation for this is that they must have taken a break to prepare for the video they were going to shoot and thus stopped the convoy.<br />
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<i>Scenario 1/2</i><br />
Meanwhile, even if the BUK was 10 minutes or more behind at Zuhres, it should therefore TOTALLY have been catching up with Vostok at this point!<br />
But why was it not on the Vostok video? Either it must have been waiting behind them further down the road so Vostok could shoot their video. Or it even PASSED the convoy and drove UP FRONT of them.<br />
Whatever the situation was, it seems they deliberately did not want to have the BUK on the Vostok video!<br />
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<b>BUK photographed in Torez</b><br />
When we look at the Torez photo:<br />
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<img border="0" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJogDW9rZ9R77YMMHgvwDd401xYyfXBNPDPC2JaxQWZ7Bl_FJR6yV888KrffI3RUK41gNL4WCEtoqlGeoozOynsyY0Q7U13DkU3_rUE0aKE2rNl1poD_xqIJMNEYioqkQFTt0Q0GN1fRc/s640/Torez+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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we can see that the shadow on the billboard is at an angle, indicating sunlight hits the billboard from the right (left red ellipse). At the car on the right we can also see that the shadow is left from the car and thus the sunlight comes a little bit from the right side.<br />
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When we put Suncalc accordingly, we get a local time of 12:25:<br />
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<img border="0" height="402" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRrHe2o5CFuM5LhHphvKyXMFMah6X4g3S0336L8HC66yHw6hkrJ8AECnU0U89rpodsrQ2t4D_egfgQl9CPoL9ebdaWcCFny6g1_KtW4pt0rAG4lY35F0BWf1j843SAwjLPjuf_hJb9J-o/s640/Torez+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This is consistent with the time reported in some tweets:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZaOJcJr9eBKVL4zxQjuUOwNdlX1Gf6FB1bTPsi5Uca18GEq7iAZVUUrHlmnyfgSySXzsc8LQ-IVv10iPqNfv2Zb9DoGpnyhevmQoaMnAQ0ntasgZ15d5I69_eoFBQdfrrlNeoHj0tKnA/s640/Torez+4.JPG" /><br />
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At 12:16 @Wowihay tweets that a BUK is driving through Torez in the direction of Snizhne. Do note that this is BEFORE MH17 was taken down and thus before anybody knew it was a passenger plane and thus before Russia/DNR tried to blame Ukraine for doing this.<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjd_eAiUWL8Yh59uy2TTa7XBULbdPbHQSXqAknuTsIcSonOdDLXxGWI3tfkebXvt8EJz7CkxONvuDRhgMjyJJbztBrFOU-Epn3ztwq859XKAOCt7BDWJfiYOOxpmJdxBq3YyrvSScC4wVY/s640/Torez+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 12:26 @MOR2537 tweets a similar message. It seems this "12-10" should be understood as the time 12:10. It can't mean anything else actually.<br />
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These times mean that the loader had PASSED the Vostok convoy before they started to film it and was waiting here in Torez while they were filming.<br />
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<b>Vostok filmed by RT</b><br />
RT filmed the Rostov convoy that day:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yb2LMxO34sk" width="640"></iframe><br />
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From <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0196776,38.6502161,160m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">this location</a>:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhB2dBkk-Rw9Fmk8RdKMJuAVo7UKK3wgPkV2do5egq5BZe9aO2AnZhCVMa62PFqXfAgiRu01eEfP5bE8TySYLdMrACXvlj4iqedRBwvd_6mLbhwHV5XYpC8l1orIBoqLqImV7xmSciPTGs/s640/T-64+2.JPG" /></div>
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And this video had been taken in the car behind it:</div>
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The shadows are less profound in these videos, making it much more difficult to find an exact time.</div>
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This screenshot shows that the light clearly comes from the left and the shadows of tank and car are projected to the right. But at what angle exactly?</div>
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiznCZSpiPbQoaa7acykkaVOa5Mu2p929YRlCpWxgqtJxexmQiJp8QPgi1iY7VHP0JdVnshdd5OSnF4YFaSY7lQrHN7K-yG2IxLSmgYf2QAcS75NXn9WLXbVTglxBkFnHRdIfsuapyHe8g/s640/Torez+Vostok+1.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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If the light would exactly come perpendicular to the road, that would correspond with a local time of 13:15:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7bNtkvVmpkUBSDHZY_eL3EcHVqG-VP3aOXD0M-s5TDCCjm0H4Vqasy59Dviui7eP1aunOuJxP2O3XURFPeYxlld1eLITUN1NJeO-TDcn7InjQqlammmDxJ50evpPEd3gKOMpqz3-pkC4/s640/Torez+Vostok+2.JPG" /><br />
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I have the impression that the light comes a little bit more from behind than from the front.</div>
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To be safe we should maybe say that the time was somewhere between 12:30 and 13:30.</div>
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<b>Green truck following Vostok</b></div>
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A green truck can be seen behind the white van, as well in the Vostok video as in the RT- video. </div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgj-VS-A2Qqn01o9kICo93xVPXUdutyY4CEV6xa7ytLVKk4a-9hoeHEdRIy5uWybE68GKplWZNcrW5i3KXc30vguavKR1Q34BVE4jZjAHHNv8W5Zcg2EMXArIaMZbRaWBquhmgZIFcvaDk/s640/Green+car.JPG" /><br />
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Thus it seems the Vostok convoy traveled the 9 kms from one to the other location (meanwhile passing the place where the loader was parked) without stopping. </div>
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This would be a 10 to 20 minutes drive with an average speed between 25 and 50 kms per hour. Because Vostok filmed their last scene about 12:40 or a bit later, they could have passed the RT-car between 12:50 and 13:00.</div>
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<b>AP-journalists in Snizhne</b></div>
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In <a href="http://bigstory.ap.org/article/what-happened-day-flight-17-was-downed" target="_blank">this article</a> AP-journalist Pete Leonard reports about the BUK his colleagues had seen there:</div>
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<img border="0" height="275" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjaXuKDb1PYV5RFTi-dYiiUZtnbSLlIybc-s-0zhz_3r3bM06fJ7ZjIOvnxvPmCEBCqBMgr2aLOH7BFptFkHlm1c4yjwF7NNMAhOZpKbU0OiMxfHrvUqEPKmJt0tojEtxnaYrRRHMctmyo/s400/Ap+Snizhne+2.JPG" width="400" /><br />
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Summarizing: </div>
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<ol>
<li>Seven tanks were parked at the gas station; </li>
<li>at 1:05 the BUK was driving through Snizhne;</li>
<li>then it was parked at Karapetyan street; </li>
<li>before it drove to it's final destination.</li>
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There are two gas stations in Snizhne on the route from Donetsk (yellow areas):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhp_BBkuwrCQC9IUybTED_SbEDsn1qGYkKBuuxVSwKG7HTcPl94cUKB7S-fYRgA0zjNxp0YQiThtrkonMuR9tQ4HUXaCtTE518M__b16K0P_K4khchVqleskX5y_FnUNtY-Zvcod5yJi4g/s640/Gas+stations.JPG" /><br />
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Google Earth shows that there is a blockpost there, with extensive trenches behind it and lots of space to park tanks and unload the BUK. Maybe they used the third abandoned gas station area (at the left) for this.</div>
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7 tanks is more then the 3 tanks we've seen in the Vostok convoy. These other four seem to be (arriving?) Oplot tanks who where later heading for Donetsk.</div>
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<i>Journalists having lunch?</i></div>
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Wikimapia shows there are three restaurants in Snizhne:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJ0RpgUgkubrbv0dBOVTtx2Ro2eHiAP3-Pg_2pXNieln5U7OkEqXkGuTeRLlskGF80rhuwaJdR1p-TcfVNjC3Dqr5lxYQBqFbzyYxZ3gN10L3zMsL8lHIGYKTXgVdcFwAPflhny6ZYi34/s640/Restaurants+Snizhne+2.JPG" /><br />
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The bottom one is exactly on the spot where the BUK was photographed and where retired miner Sakharov said it was parked: on Karapetyan street (red mark).</div>
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So it seems obvious to conclude the journalists were having lunch there when the BUK drove by and parked (almost) in front of them (but it could have happened in one of the other restaurants too of course). One of the guards seeing the journalists makes sure they didn't film it.</div>
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Take note: THEY DIDN'T WANT THE BUK TO BE FILMED!!</div>
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It means they didn't want Vostok or RT to film the BUK either. Maybe they did that anyways, but just didn't publish it. It is a good explanation of why the BUK is not on the (Russian made) Vostok videos.</div>
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<i>After Torez the BUK-loader drove AHEAD of Vostok</i></div>
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It is a 12 kms drive for the BUK-loader from the location in Torez where it was photographed (at about 12:25) and Karapetyan street (at 13:05). With an average speed of 25 to 50 kms/h this is a 15 to 30 minutes drive. This would give it 10 minutes (at it's slowest speed) to 25 minutes (at highest speed) to unload (near the gas station). An average speed of 35 kms/h with 20 minutes for unloading does not seem to be unrealistic at all.<br />
But that DOES mean the BUK-loader must have left its parking spot in Torez quite quickly after that photo was taken.<br />
And after some 5 minutes (that is 12:30) it would pass the location were RT filmed Vostok (between 12:50 and 13:00). <br />
THAT means the BUK-loader was driving AHEAD of the Vostok convoy.<br />
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In the tightest scenario RT filmed Vostok at 12:50 and Vostok had 15 minutes to arrive at 13:05 in Snizhne. But by that time the BUK was already unloaded and at Karapetyan street. So the BUK definitely must have arrived earlier than Vostok.<br />
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It seems they had been waiting for Vostok a while, but Vostok took way too much time to take their video, so they decided to move on with Vostok catching up with them.</div>
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<b>Snizhne photograph</b></div>
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This photo was taken of the BUK at Karapetyan street, not on the loader anymore:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhbKSbh2kE2YA_5WerV2aaC1lnIjkp3lQEJTV7HczUW8FzsAp_Vu5ArrKqNDSxhi-QPnawSrqDz3jeDUdBTQPeJ3m0_54t7dkY4Gxw3aGm78YhWlidMmBEcGpCe06vpJOmYbAWwvDgS-QI/s1600/buk+1.jpg" /><br />
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The photo was taken like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCUWvPochgIZvQJWxSjVGazlN0RpZtBZRav4AOmMkRnuBBCt6y3eZNj2a6gRWREmy-p9yJcUYayKGZnDkayoROx4vcCz_GXqvjmcZjz_xVoIpVJ2Stz6-DedMiKqYGbg39ZtasxqrPNnM/s640/buk+2.jpg" /><br />
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The shadow alongside the building goes like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpJ_JQJYtpBRJgBYeD9OSjk9p34cZeqtEQ5kHTau2Wf4oxTtVqck49IADnxfKXAcI0SMMEb0O3MMC-cLWJQXprti1mheY6EMBu93C84JfA5MAFKPx5LGrYPEF7c6E8HyxyKbx_X3QErmA/s1600/Snizhne+1.JPG" /><br />
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Suncalc gives a local time of something between 13:15-13:30:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXx3lCgn7k8xwEj6qA2C8uHQARU0T1PF4T2pxMv6jGq3JqylA8zlVRVUfCfxPqXuOianKZD4vLmYL7LWFqikupwc-zfy7HfGdvnjaC74HKAgqRGtaTY_r5I5Fp1cLur8RaGhusMJAGNkk/s640/Snizhne+2.JPG" /><br />
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It indeed means the BUK had been parked there for some time (10 to 20 minutes), just as retired miner Sakharov had said.</div>
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<b>Driving towards Pervomaiske</b><br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iE7wEhvYFos" width="640"></iframe>
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This screenshot shows a pretty clear shadow of one of the poles near the street:<br />
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<img border="0" height="288" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEib5QFEm3kXx8N4aw-_u_S06WCd-5cAs2oOwrWd-SA7WLDLwV6OeiBI2T8zcTDlPie9NUc3WKYoW4cyNykuqhKE0ulWyE-bzqIsK0bqINwN__TzmRjJ8eBQOFDCvznHVYmG8n4Ledfp7Pc/s640/Snizhne+10.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Tricky thing is the road goes up there, meaning the real angle (shadow created on a flat area) should be slightly more horizontal in this screenshot.<br />
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Projected in Suncalc:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnKmjeR1pxH681whOWG-TmkR99dUrzydgYw9gi-8lTQHgZ3LBgv5DnJM1jXdCRMZiuw3l_OaVgcCyiannkKK-2Rwmkv1acRJTrKAjqroDCXDZIoLH6TYMYc4rfPC1Yg5AhIEBpfuxuC-w/s640/Snizhne+3.JPG" /><br />
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It gives a local time of something in the neighborhood of 13:30.<br />
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It means it did not stay long on its parking spot after the previous photo was taken.<br />
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All the locations in Snizhne:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLSMt8Mrzp2LwHE8E-86LBe8cF_bEvq53MLOB4zKyuqd4rtPSoPI4jT5ieOjQZK-EE-uIGk2pvN-H17uWFPEZNtiV67GiIctAkeBUXq4abIK9q27CfklI4TaaMIq121S2vNZoUsq9G6m8/s640/Snizhne+11.JPG" /><br />
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<b>Oplot</b><br />
As shown in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/08/possible-truck-and-tanks-identified.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>, the Oplot tanks were driving TOWARDS Donetsk. No clear shadows are visible in those videos. It means the weather had turned cloudy, blurring the shadows. Thus these videos must have been recorded late in the afternoon.<br />
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<b>Timeline</b><br />
Putting all the pieces together we get this scenario:<br />
<ul>
<li>Around 9:00 the BUK-loader arrived at Illicha avenue in Donetsk. A couple of telephone calls back and forth were done to determine what to do with it.</li>
<li>At 9:23 it gets instructions to go "behind the Motel" and before the Vostok-base.</li>
<li>Instead it drives just behind the Motel roundabout and not at the entrance of the Vostok-base.</li>
<li>Something like 10:45 Vostok leaves its base, but not finding/taking the BUK-loader with them.</li>
</ul>
Scenario 1<br />
<ul>
<li>The BUK-loader left it's Motel-location 1 hour after the Vostok-convoy had left the base. Likely between 10:45-10:50 driving with an average speed of 40 kms/hour in the first part.</li>
<li>They were just getting out of range of the satellite that made an image at 11:08.</li>
<li>By the time it got in Zuhres it had catched up a lot with the Vostok convoy. There were some 10 - 30 minutes difference left.</li>
</ul>
Scenario 2<br />
<ul>
<li>The BUK-loader left at about the time Vostok left and drove a couple of minutes more or less behind the convoy</li>
<li>The Paris Match journalists must have been mistaken about the time they reported. Maybe they reported 'Moscow'-time, which is one hour later.</li>
<li>By the time the satellite made the photo is was long gone from that area.</li>
<li>The BUK traveled with an average speed of 23 kms/h in the first part.</li>
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<li>Vostok wanted to make a video by the time they drove out of Shakhtarsk towards Hirne. They stopped somewhere over there and had the BUK-loader pass them, (so it would not be recorded on the video).</li>
<li>In Torez the BUK-loader waited a while (for Vostok).</li>
<li>Before Vostok catched up with them, they already moved on (just after 12:25; Vostok must have taken too much time to record their video)</li>
<li>They must have arrived at the gas station in Snizhne at about 12:40, where they had 15-20 minutes to unload.</li>
<li>At that same time Vostok shot the last scene of their video and they (quickly) moved on from Hirne to catch up with the BUK. </li>
<li>RT recorded them on the road from their car just before 13:00.</li>
<li>Unloaded, the BUK already had left towards Karapetyan street, (probably because it would be more out of sight there, than at the gas station). </li>
<li>Some AP journalist where having lunch in Snizhne and got a big surprise: a BUK drove by and stopped a little bit further.</li>
<li>Meanwhile Vostok arrived at the gas station, finding the BUK was already unloaded.</li>
<li>4 Oplot tanks had also arrived there (freshly coming from Russia?). </li>
<li>When the AP-journalists drove to(wards) Donetsk they saw the seven tanks at the gas station.</li>
<li>By that time the BUK was already positioning at it's launch location.</li>
<li>The Oplot tanks moved on and drove to Donetsk where they got spotted and filmed.</li>
</ul>
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<b>Conclusions</b></div>
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Neither of the two scenarios can be completely excluded as impossible. But the "11:00" does seem to be more troublesome. Why did it wait for one hour, to rush towards the Vostok convoy, narrowly escaping the satellite with a stiff average speed for such a heavy transport and basically not travelling together with Vostok.<br />
The "10:00"-scenario on the other hand fits a lot better. Suncalc seems to indicate this time; it left together with Vostok; with a convenient average speed; long out of range of the satellite. The only disadvantage: Paris Match must have reported the time wrong somehow.<br />
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In either scenario, with of without the Vostok convoy, the BUK-loader was still accompanied by two (Vostok) cars during the entire trip.<br />
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Even though Russian Trolls try to obscure and blur the events of that day and some things are not entirely clear, there is nothing really weird or odd here. If this story (a Russian BUK traveling from Donetsk to Snizhne to its launch-location) is invented and plugged by the Ukrainian SBU, the Russians can LEARN A LOT FROM THEM!!!</div>
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Every twist the Russian version takes turns out to be easily dismissed as fake, propaganda and lies. This (Ukrainian) story nevertheless is consistent right from the beginning. It never changed. It is still the same as it was on July 17th 2014. And so far none of the zillion attempts to discredit it have succeeded. Only the details become much more clear over time, like in this blog. If this all is just a lie to blame Russia, the Ukrainian SBU can lie exponentially better than the Russian FSB!</div>
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Or maybe it is just all simply true: the Russians shot down MH17 with their BUK...</div>
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Disclaimer: this is a reconstruction. Most times remain estimates. When more accurate data would come available, adjustments may be necessary. Some details we may never know. The big picture is nevertheless very clear.<br />
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If you see any errors or have additions or additional info, please contact me (best through twitter).</div>
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<b>UPDATE 12-5-2016</b><br />
A new video of the BUK on the loader has appeared:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/AvwH0T2WCN0" width="640"></iframe>
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The geolocation is like this:<br />
<br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNW9kzrBbn6qUoX04IP6LBvbqe0epQ5hdQjEsXG7-cyQH0PdOyvbC3uyuKRweCNmQKFgyRU0p7v05NuwFdPwpv7ykapDohP8PCvkwRFPeREKmWibxbYvvmVZI2OJivzd1naayQEyiE5no_/s1600/BUK+new.JPG"><img border="0" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNW9kzrBbn6qUoX04IP6LBvbqe0epQ5hdQjEsXG7-cyQH0PdOyvbC3uyuKRweCNmQKFgyRU0p7v05NuwFdPwpv7ykapDohP8PCvkwRFPeREKmWibxbYvvmVZI2OJivzd1naayQEyiE5no_/s640/BUK+new.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br />It is more southwards than the expected route:<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh53JySRBWHZO4z_SDN_KlFJiB0k8AbcnQ0vQqgmJ_1vLtf2RJK1rORGgWlX7mgx8V3cA1LnXBWklUJu6wUHqYNLzfXqMZWTkNvuVrLfmvwcSGNP1JWU_mIEf7q6oeBEI_QsFmuV5uwIwKz/s1600/BUK+new+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh53JySRBWHZO4z_SDN_KlFJiB0k8AbcnQ0vQqgmJ_1vLtf2RJK1rORGgWlX7mgx8V3cA1LnXBWklUJu6wUHqYNLzfXqMZWTkNvuVrLfmvwcSGNP1JWU_mIEf7q6oeBEI_QsFmuV5uwIwKz/s640/BUK+new+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6cpE-XEdpNdsz0paFnyIlWVqN4GYek8Mw0HcOQW4CfO1OZC9rZCo8lveuzuadOT1lKfRz4v_H3ROqVn6K6BfY7bhxxYz2e91OH8nAVRRiXmOy60NBbZ7fo_zhKjHpLobkmOn3prtCawt0/s1600/BUK+new+3.JPG"><img border="0" height="424" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6cpE-XEdpNdsz0paFnyIlWVqN4GYek8Mw0HcOQW4CfO1OZC9rZCo8lveuzuadOT1lKfRz4v_H3ROqVn6K6BfY7bhxxYz2e91OH8nAVRRiXmOy60NBbZ7fo_zhKjHpLobkmOn3prtCawt0/s640/BUK+new+3.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br />The estimated time calculated with suncalc is 11:10:<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6a7CyyWwBnpZWByudRzn4PpIteRxY_wWDC6c9N0PqRBE8e0nuC1BXwrkw9CwGiHiQqTen2IQZX1BHJzyhonM6sPzof7yPlbr-o7IQIbcsNoX90PmlntqcM-0p1hpnxA-l1J62SWEyBhJ-/s1600/BUK+new+5.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6a7CyyWwBnpZWByudRzn4PpIteRxY_wWDC6c9N0PqRBE8e0nuC1BXwrkw9CwGiHiQqTen2IQZX1BHJzyhonM6sPzof7yPlbr-o7IQIbcsNoX90PmlntqcM-0p1hpnxA-l1J62SWEyBhJ-/s640/BUK+new+5.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br /> <br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgY__TNYLuvLSVbdGHmK2yHqh7VajSwNT31mqu5YrUaJRpRs5CBMOPeLWvgiHpGy0dPi15U-6Gy6h3tiQTaYAcOP4x_5ZV5_3QKy27xh0fDH6anXECt6YqYRRGGAfwgOgeC_xswq7pCYSHx/s1600/BUK+new+4.JPG"><img border="0" height="484" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgY__TNYLuvLSVbdGHmK2yHqh7VajSwNT31mqu5YrUaJRpRs5CBMOPeLWvgiHpGy0dPi15U-6Gy6h3tiQTaYAcOP4x_5ZV5_3QKy27xh0fDH6anXECt6YqYRRGGAfwgOgeC_xswq7pCYSHx/s640/BUK+new+4.JPG" width="640" /></a><br /><br />Because the loader took a different route, the whole problem of 'narrowly escaping the 'Bellingcat' satellite image does not exist anymore.</div>
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If another part of that satellite image would be bought, south of the current one, it almost certainly will show the loader.<br /><br /></div>
Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-85143372541376580372015-08-24T07:44:00.003-07:002016-03-25T06:35:33.577-07:00Russian mortar has killed Russian journalists near Metalist on June 17th 2014<div class="separator" style="clear: both;">
InterpreterMag published <a href="http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-551-russian-backed-fighters-shell-popasnaya-and-environs-1-ukrainian-soldier-wounded/" target="_blank">a good article about Nadiya Savchenko</a> getting blamed for being accomplice in the killing of two Russian journalists near Metalist, sound engineer Anton Voloshin and reporter Igor Kornelyuk.</div>
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Nadiya would have been a spotter for artillery that deliberately killed the journalists...</div>
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See the <a href="http://www.rt.com/news/166496-journalist-dies-ukraine-shooting/" target="_blank">original RT-report here</a>. According to RT the cameraman walked forward, filmed the scene and was able to get away, while his two colleagues were hit by a shell while staying behind.</div>
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A video of Nadiya's defense explains how she was captured BEFORE the journalists were killed, based on the traces of their mobile cellphones:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sJ4wks2FpFs" width="640"></iframe><br />
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The last shots that the journalists had been filming had been published by RT:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sAEk7NTcWBo" width="640"></iframe><br />
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There is also <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIguR6GtymU" target="_blank">a longer version of the video</a> showing a bit more and omitting another part. The shorter video also has been cropped to delete the RT-logo.<br />
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These videos had been edited in a very suggestive way. It seems as if a soldier, dragging a wounded comrade into the bush, was directly hit by a Ukrainian shell:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0zjad3gTHszQOT8NwF5PPn64XOLYsGK_3V-rh_ja06OS0xDnAYDruwHYc_6bwdjALe4KlKRxv7EY-LOXL_gIMcvnYAqmaIGIU2fk7n1WbVRz9_Xqi3ZqmcSq0eaDcMJswONEOQnePJTQ/s640/Metalist+1.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEie8bKILFnIcLEDL_pzSEqykgK6cMd8X5fGNgfT8zkShVJtcbyPUR60Ww2-n0yQpObMoONCuyUu4KtysfoU8WvpWPFY5-sqOdQ6CP9gFy5mnUPXQooLNZPyVlJ5oDYwnVfN2wwHd11Xc50/s640/Metalist+2.JPG" /><br />
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But as can be seen by these screenshots, these are NOT the same locations being filmed. There is no big billboard in the shot with the explosion and there is no sand heap there either.<br />
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Also it seemed as if civilians were walking along the road WHILE being targeted (by Ukrainian fire):<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOal8dz0kb-zMfpBN12UabNSjlwny6CG6p8JxID_fn7RDrmZx8bU4nXaz53oSYYBOLYEV1eN9hL5NdSJiTLsm_3bJdR4pLugFHw1NKZZn9N48ZRpXmiSmmIRHIbQkvzpTI7BzZ8x_sZeo/s1600/Metalist+17.JPG"><img border="0" height="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOal8dz0kb-zMfpBN12UabNSjlwny6CG6p8JxID_fn7RDrmZx8bU4nXaz53oSYYBOLYEV1eN9hL5NdSJiTLsm_3bJdR4pLugFHw1NKZZn9N48ZRpXmiSmmIRHIbQkvzpTI7BzZ8x_sZeo/s640/Metalist+17.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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<img border="0" height="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzDcwM6Y8UBKahqigdjoxuz0uMO19KR48ZFdnAueO4la03pIMjFVZi-Pr4RLZP6lRwNajjYSjAOq48kS2irSerRFehBoFeLiCOuWQL0AwO89tMN3NqsOohcmWi9u8cbWL5VN_Pl7thYxQ/s640/Metalist+19.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGZDCxAdPC7dCRz2-oIarqnMyOfFp3XIB0YpiI4DcDAIylshA762LG-RYXOd8VdpLtdwoeqTfJxi5inyXo8YJGp1XWtOaIcCqG9uGOAfQ4f1QUerFnWtsW-BMbf-Hvyuqg4Zm9JJWfaOQ/s1600/Metalist+18.JPG"><img border="0" height="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiGZDCxAdPC7dCRz2-oIarqnMyOfFp3XIB0YpiI4DcDAIylshA762LG-RYXOd8VdpLtdwoeqTfJxi5inyXo8YJGp1XWtOaIcCqG9uGOAfQ4f1QUerFnWtsW-BMbf-Hvyuqg4Zm9JJWfaOQ/s640/Metalist+18.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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But these civilians keep walking towards the area where the explosions happen, which is... quite weird!<br />
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<b>Russia has a history of faking videos</b><br />
Back then this video was considered suspicious, but what did we know about Russian Propaganda at that time? Now we know a lot more. Take for instance all these well documented incidents:</div>
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<li>A truck with Vostok fighters was hit BY THEIR OWN fire while retreating from Donetsk Airport. But they filmed the aftermath extensively and blamed Ukraine for shooting a truck with wounded soldiers. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/05/another-made-up-story-by-notorious.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</li>
<li>ANNA news pretended to film how 'rebels' slipped into Slavyansk, but they just staged a scene for the cameras. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/06/how-fresh-recruits-slip-into-encircled.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</li>
<li>There were dozens and dozens of videos from fighters firing wildly at Donetsk Airport in Rambo-style without any return fire being heard from Ukrainians. Most of these men we never saw again, because they got killed in the REAL battles. </li>
<li>They staged an attack near Donetsk Airport which set the oil storages on fire to get spectacular images for tv. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/10/footage-showing-that-ukrainians-close.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</li>
<li>Russian tanks shot at a residential building in Vuhlehirsk just to make shots for tv. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/02/russians-destroy-civilian-buildings-in.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</li>
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Besides staging scenes for tv, they also have a complete production team for creating extreme and fake videos of 'Ukrainian atrocities'. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/04/graphic-fake-video-about-azov.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.</div>
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And what's more, here is a well documented incident of Russian proxies trying to kill a BBC-crew <i>with mortars</i> at Donetsk Airport. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/russian-proxies-tried-to-kill-bbc-crew.html">See this blog</a>.</div>
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And then there are the many fake actresses appearing in videos among which notorious Maria Tsipko. See for instance <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/05/famous-russian-actress-appeared-in.html" target="_blank">this blog</a>.</div>
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So with this knowledge, could we have another look at this Metalist-video? Especially because Nadiya Savchenko is being blamed for the killing of these journalists!</div>
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<b>Analyzing the mortar-video</b><br />
Let's analyze the longer version step by step.<br />
First we see this soldier walking to the two vehicles parked across and blocking the roads:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhV6pta1C-sOnHUqvB-y8nGzR76J8k6LULAmYCF2PQy3yMKF3PnGXnWp9YC17e5Qx8a16OTo7e7TfvcRSogaBCRXOxIVV-NXuNfxQOE2FcjVpuxAs9vSk7j5PAc7vI9tNWh2cTVdRtHQQM/s640/Metalist+20.JPG" /><br />
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He kneels down and bends over behind the vehicle to peek into north/Ukrainian direction:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWiYlyuLmTlwN48Nmdgf4wk6uRPw_x3VwlkrmibBjEIxIKkVW534eOLHLbXDhnL0UyE_R8FpGiSNKWndpWjIq-e7qcAvItllQJZpxCBufOYnScWHAAtdRf22b3UCathvxYeFCxil9jPKM/s640/Metalist+21.JPG" /><br />
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What does he see? Innocent civilians walking along the road...<br />
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<img border="0" height="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhIB15ip068A8qayq1ELV5KkHCMes1PE0gD6Yqhx-zCo3N65lcof0bWfz9Ej7z9nAkhyphenhyphenjQQlRnRJJMmydlYvrNvw3vxWNwG1kNeS0Pq_y0v0XW6j3LYC-UBcOEKmPPkn_VU9tia0CTWdxc/s640/Metalist+22.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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This could be called a 'professional edit'. Have the guy look somewhere and then let the viewer see what he sees.<br />
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Next we see the soldier walking besides the burned down truck, with the civilians still walking in the distance:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgs_6nVrWeAXyIcdrYyShgNv0bazI_wL9Is7tQ_VL4ElKRaO1vLJLL36iDX6nvBehEKjba7_SA5ZOqwi6dOEw0XSadY2of_CNdSomUQFVF7mupwKxHVtzxz-J1tfvY0Y_s-_prmerNv8X0/s640/Metalist+23.JPG" /><br />
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With the front of the vehicle in top of the view, the viewer immediately is able to interpret and understand the situation. Even though the camera is shaking a lot (this is sometimes purposely done to give the footage a candid character) the filming and editing is done very professionally.<br />
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Next thing is that the camera shakes a lot, we hear an explosion and we see smoke:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQx8eAEuVUTrsOIufE2aOOJhkP6rfTnNZAJ-L-HYQMuyvsdQt0oduM5ZrHII60fE-BmNGAv_3Tn6cWNq2Dl90q0pKIUq-4LGcFXIMGU3EvkvXnC6DdHoS-jkAkOjzCh-GEyVrJICOJ0KE/s640/Metalist+24.JPG" /><br />
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This LOOKS like the soldier got hit by the explosion! But... there is a cut between the two scenes. This is the last frame from the shot where we see the soldier walking:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaYUdmEC_yzbTrwn8oNfYyQ8OQb0Je0a_jBV1DsaDk17uRQ9dlkpbWlFtV6iVmqFgk0UDOVo3bx90SrsUnqC6rWO0yE7EwxI1UAqwwi9b4Qekg3FQmuV5qIvoy7o_Y0ajDZW9uc1KZvqY/s640/Metalist+25.JPG" /><br />
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The NEXT frame is the first frame from the shot with the explosion and smoke:<br />
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<img border="0" height="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOSUw9ZlYcqvd_y6Rk3O7fCklYhwwJLIGBJxQxKAUmPmGDTwm0PzsfjW2QN54yt81mI2VGYdwb9pj0EDlvTO8JPpMJLa-0h12FtQYypIduLMvlYzih7t1MIzVHmn9eSb0EukKXMjk6wew/s640/Metalist+26.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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There is no continuity here. Not in movement, but neither in zoom level. The new shot is all of a sudden zoomed in a lot more, which is physically impossible. It means there was a cut.<br />
Because the camera is moving and you immediately hear the sound of an explosion, as a viewer you don't notice the cut, but frame by frame analysis makes this very clear. It means the soldier would have been long gone from near the truck by the moment the explosion happened. But this kind of editing suggests he was fully hit.<br />
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In the next shot we see the civilians walking along the road again, now almost all disappearing behind the truck (in the shorter video the part between the explosion and this shot is still there):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFGA8zDX-lnoIkjD25gH5R0PJKpnV1VXVCPGSClhsKDy4xFyoiguxn5hRifM2yZzVwnt_7vr2IHJOimDCIJ4nZVs67ezfFFztSnmPz7yHWqM5TiUpYSwVcV0Kibvu-2x1TE5s_sXw3P4I/s640/Metalist+27.JPG" /><br />
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So these people happily walk towards the area where an incoming mortar just exploded?<br />
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In the first shot where we see them, they are at some 100 meters distance from the truck. In this last shot they have traveled some 60 meters:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgRt3MCr0jvBSES6J2OePqFE-8HPiAE2aGEeVOGzbOPgAaDpaH2lyaapgPoaHa-1zfwPBpT2EsHafTVbhs8HhSSvzBu7oYmp2n5hMSsci-0laDPO9oADuZoVb7Xw1zdgpZDH0aDew_jFA/s640/Metalist+28.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It SEEMS as if they are close to the explosion area, but this is an optical illusion you get when the camera zooms in a lot. Distances get compressed when zoomed in. Filming like that is a professional (and suggestive) trick!<br />
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Then we can hear the sound of an incoming mortar shell and an explosion. But we can't see where it exploded.<br />
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After the next cut the camera zooms in to the North, either to film the direction from where (he thinks) the shells are coming, OR to film where that previous shell might have landed:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhWEQsOjQH3KyPw53YribWBKBlc3hIgwHA1PSWCN9VjiFgP1Jm21uJ_t2ryakRcqlrOZo5YJ1kO0xZtHL1_sx7wt-OO0atEsbFb7QMK9AuniHrHkeTiWx51BXZGVdN7B6Z8CzWimRFTVRw/s640/Metalist+30.JPG" /><br />
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Rubble from a possible impact can be seen on the road.<br />
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Next we see a soldier dragging another into a sand heap (possible trench) and another one walking relaxed besides some parked cars:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNhkXTAuZDYiLt1pcUZhDP-szh_otVyCzluzwJyxu_IyiIiC2jzrmlt2lz5K2w-fwqdupueOmcH-OqW8qfNgPcS49mUIxkHq9_hWJgmFnQKg7KT7D5FSZ6i70YzofPG2FonAj4MQ1MZpY/s640/Metalist+1.JPG" /><br />
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This is the way this shot is filmed:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgtqw819aLq92ALZ8dqw_B7ID3Ewj254nPxE5gcAu4ZC8bCHGBSXqE-jc-FdXNEFAgs4ElMIqBhYHLoHAFvCVZozjgvTm7sw2oMAkVxRmepOAEBE4lmAdgETjyIrZqeHYKzAYs8HoREgrA/s640/Metalist+3.JPG" /><br />
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Google Earth indeed shows there are trenches there with sand heaps.<br />
Since this was filmed at the crosspoint, it must have been filmed BEFORE (or maybe after) they walked towards the vehicles blocking the road in the first scene.<br />
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In the next shot we see two explosions, one at the side of the road and one on the road:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4x8D46jG2aI5KI2BKpbG3xJzNxyozD-CfzYZvXD4jAQohYW7JLzP3O85UeAyjlBxA3Rj5JAyu4hucvlI4PN8omFoUJa1Mm9wUezIwbV5Dr_nYK0XC4kfQ6UXcIVL9RGcMfr1p_l53Hs8/s640/Metalist+6.JPG" /><br />
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Note the traffic police cabin (red circle) that can also be seen in <a href="http://www.panoramio.com/photo/23536947" target="_blank">this Panoramio</a> photo:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtxhRp_xnEUJJ2UqrwVvVGYwc9cIEkhw71YFJvZop-4lyQCxwM2I2CaNsnHV3fGjRCCO4lbc-UWumhHXq9EMy2Jv5QbABRfo4wZ_syX-qdgercWkfNtZV0ZRGvex0OOhLoqaWhEGAhRhw/s640/Metalist+32.JPG" /><br />
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This shot is filmed like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiP4-PCEo8yiBcf9UODxoKtAmpvsIeUMNuAh6MmcBT2ztAIJ6KMW9CB0Cdvy7krcqerSqZ4YqEihhMr3ySwNJ1Jyyw7mnKJF36j1OtTqYKMX0uic1V_89NNHsdjBYNDzxEW_zZ9lv67oZ0/s640/Metalist+33.JPG" /><br />
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CLEARLY the order of shots have been altered because they had been shot from different locations 150 meters apart from each other. This is purposely done to give the impression the soldier dragging a wounded comrade was fully hit by a shell.<br />
Again, this is professional, suggestive editing and in this case: misleading as well.<br />
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After these explosions the camera keeps rolling while the guy runs for cover into the bushes.<br />
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But what do we see in the last frames?<br />
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<img border="0" height="478" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghaIFj9C6iAAQgvRHq7BluBcqvBN9NMTtr639815YPlI5HiAUmot0zDsLLYttARu347e41k4jVCz4HNmSYckO4aZgeaX2Sv4GBUcQL2qCkiAurTxVXn8jcHqGHsGOu87Qv72wPuySK4P8/s640/Metalist+37b.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFsZ27wlJgLS5euGzHgXkh-XT9Y7HEOr6_TD2Y-NEAPujZMM0GCrdts9hb2imhbg6mLRB6l7NFGLriYu162nB_IFuOiWt7dIMZvybf7mwctRmPwvcNfGzcgT27b981-ybPyKPZMQWMsaQ/s640/Metalist+35.JPG" /><br />
Two civilians (again!) happily walking towards the blast area and they do not seem to be bothered at all.<br />
The last one does seem to be the woman from the previous shots:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi6ccAaAhpXx2AgOEa4-AKJdrUdZNeATx7b3cbUgbAj9XXISYKVE-zBZGqiMiTJxRkh9RIUIGygpnfki2TnpwbuJcdLORyGxkDTKungFbVot3Iy1G7vi-08xdJpmXtvYwZOlM3ksHDPYrE/s640/Metalist+36.JPG" /><br />
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<b>Analyzing the audio</b><br />
In this screenshot from Adobe Premiere video editing software, the two versions have been put together:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhq9DdU-7T9ZUjd_PWFaKSIS751xYKJxkLTgQxwTRf-NrGD7wv6kAu803XhJ7J0S3xjxmejOjbkzsH1dfcE8ynCdqgioFly_cZFE6JleiyGtmPynuu8ryA9yySt6nzTQp-SOLh-UYNx7c/s640/Metalist+40.JPG" /><br />
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Video 1 and Audio 1 are the Erich Hartman video. Video 2 and Audio 2 are the RT version. In this way it is easy to see where the version overlap and have unique parts.<br />
The three ellipses show where the explosions happen. Let's call those I, II and III.<br />
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Part I (at the truck) consists of two explosions only half a second apart (indicated by the red arrows):<br />
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<img border="0" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio0E7rgJP7AR07cb2pu7QX-nKaQySl5JW2YQGlEp5Tp2E7BYjeaWkoO9G3FX7zN3HXgHwSvd8ijMrPVLfajHjOleGLqYmx6mkrokZgBXXICb2LrunKOiQEEPotfA_NjFkKPl3tl24B-e8/s640/Metalist+41.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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No firing of (distant) mortars can be heard. But this must be due to the fact that that part had been cut off. The clip only starts with the explosions.<br />
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Part II<br />
In part II only one explosion can be heard. The Erich Hartman video DOES have the (distant) firing sound (red arrow), but the RT-video again only starts just before the explosion happens (yellow arrow; just like with part I):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEioIzZWiV__sFfGOeUt4caqAxSJ7bmzk0WCi6QXcaQErP7lAjcOPwoCo9PJu712XaFB9GsPcbUriY8bORL6s7p8R2AT7NcEQl5RGvVKMTJA6y5sbrBn6geyl1JIGgpMtaoIVl351UCZC9k/s640/Metalist+42.JPG" /><br />
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The blue arrow shows the incoming whistling sound of a mortar shell.<br />
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Part III<br />
Part II has two or even three explosions: three (distant) launches can be heard (red arrows), two audible explosions (yellow arrows) and two different explosions can be seen in the video as well.<br />
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<img border="0" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpTkHZlIVF8F0c8fanFqyS8WzReX6DNg1DbHGa_oO__v-6076G43oqe4RiwReQ4XpDnmCPRAYQQLBan2tkSnwq8i7FruaKxY3x1pbqViIyT5180GG0nAjAKdu3TXmg3PIOW6gYx4OELJ8/s640/Metalist+43.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Blue arrow = whistling sound<br />
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The time between the first two launches is just 3 frames, that is 3/25 = 0,12 seconds. Between the second and third is 7 frames, that is 7/25 = 0,28 seconds. Between the first and third shot is 0,4 seconds.<br />
Could it be that there indeed were 3 impacts? And that two landed almost simultaneously so their sound could not be distinguished?<br />
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On this satellite image from June 30th 2014 impact craters have been located:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7h7ztwQfdoA6o37C9rLCyh8wRThJI2wJTuLy7BJeB14dTxDQ5Kf49-4PMsatQdAW6QSzdKrnWxzZH6YHRX1HbqYzlxEAbQS1E2aiFc7zCOLI5EZcDAsaVDdB6F5-C9GcXvoaXH-1hKA8/s640/Metalist+44.JPG" /><br />
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The big red circle clearly is the explosion at the side of the road. Possibly two smaller craters can be seen on the road. The orange circles indicate where shells might have landed outside the view of the camera.<br />
It means GE seems to indicate it is indeed possible that there were three impacts, two very close together on the road.<br />
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<b>Mortars from 2B9 Vasilek or multiple mortars firing simultaneously?</b><br />
This either means a 2B9 Vasilek 82mm automatic mortar must have been used, because it is the only thing that can fire rounds really quickly, or a setup with at least three mortars must have been used, firing simultaneously.<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2B9_Vasilek" target="_blank">This Wikipedia entry</a> shows a 2B9 Vasilek has a rate of fire of 100-120 rounds per minute:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgRs8BGkxJqO9MF5Q-NoZh0JU3bhAjPVSmKNhAcShtq17YTJWJ3zYxhVnoboJl3Vf6eoCs4ZuAXRxnfum3LC9PRAuXb5R5U4WuN-0p8mNwRS2M11NpgbB8q1wGng-MaA4-CvGE2KIWVxII/s1600/Metalist+45.JPG" /><br />
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It means every 0,5 seconds it can fire a round. In <a href="https://youtu.be/hMGmfnHXncw?t=20s" target="_blank">this video</a> the firing of a Vasilek can be seen. The shortest measured time between to launches was 7 frames = 0,28 seconds. It means the ROF is higher than Wikipedia says. But 3 frames/0,12 seconds seems to be VERY low.<br />
So it seems a setup of multiple mortars must have been used.<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2dQSF9eGkq6OOeT0pfzEfYWauzmFUlKCz19rLu8ADqx9bEoefSn4w8tRVHGk9jwdKHgWL8_k40gB9WpkgyjNgmTTzGUbgBBRdgkCfbeIcdIbz0zl8h2lsRmYKFqn3fejIBXsod0LJUXI/s640/Metalist+46.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<b>Determining the range</b><br />
Now what is intriguing is that the sound of firing the mortar and the impact/explosion in both cases where we can hear those (part II and III), is only 1,8 seconds apart:<br />
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<img border="0" height="362" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5k6R78ysv9F8xyMrCMYzb_JXYivOBiwe9aBtrHKQIxyP5VkwYva0k0uBVfdqNpIkeQghqGvI0Ye0XgL985WWWPHCeqL-h3lawP_NaqyM_mnfAkm8msfb0Zpyyvsq7zzyn84hNMktTiWQ/s640/Metalist+47.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRHRMW0bmZYS9NUDqkFwOL9XUYxsYVho1B9WkQuEENPv1qKyY8lpzwyjDFIBxWC1s88Db67DNnva_hfPGV-WSoaaIgv5adQ5N_gcx6XE93jqNVbn1wyeR_5Ld9Qx3C7Nm3rrdayRHsN5c/s640/Metalist+48.JPG" /><br />
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It means the position of the mortar was very closeby.<br />
The theory behind calculating the distance works like this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8QgNoH8dkq1JqInthArqpCMUDfbxEcjl5V6dcDDx41gfz1E7lvBAzy2jx4LDnDKVwsVtbEdKsVdC7uuJoYfsFON8K0y1ejHGnT1vP2PnQLnrHaBJDKVxKkKtwkytFEPGitrT_UeAduY0/s640/Metalist+49.JPG" /></div>
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The muzzle velocity of a 82mm mortar shell is 270 meters per second and it takes a more or less hyperbolic path.</div>
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Sound is faster and travels at 340 meters per second in a straight line (is shorter route). It means the sound from the firing arrives first, the shell and its explosion arrives later. The whistling noise arrives just before impact, because that sound is slightly faster than the shell itself.</div>
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To put it simple: the further away the mortar is, the longer the time between firing and impact. The shorter the time between firing and impact, the closer the mortar is.<br />
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To make calculations not too difficult, we'll do it like this: IF the shell would travel in a straight line (which it never does) the MAXIMUM distance can be calculated like this: the difference between the distance (d) traveled in 270 m/s and 340 m/s must be 1,8 seconds.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1NRh7jx3AUkTZYKNU-tH6M54X2o1R5WY7nh04FWXJY2RMtQMXj9mkdFrfBOSScnmJ2jd-X4w2ciBTpQ4K6t5yfpsGFUn5P-FFhoBoB-cmrkeGMV3yCGlG0oYMiIhhrDh_L5ZO5n9vdI0/s640/Metalist+50.JPG" /><br />
The result from this calculation is 2.360 meters. IF the shell would take 2 times as much time to travel its HYPERBOLIC path it would travel at an average 135 m/s. In that case the calculated distance would be only 403 meters.<br />
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When we project these distances on the map we get this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9Df6BQ_BruZtbVUqletdqETtIRiaKbdaiCySGTlB4xu69nV3jht19jJVtqiPjLImmTvUpjLYz83OE-GSv6LCmFwVXVO9FXoUbTAzAOvw9PVaZBPs22AKc-e8fRqLIp5xrtFbcWScaDTs/s640/Metalist+51.JPG" /><br />
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The mortar must have been anywhere with the range of the red circles.<br />
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Now recall where the nearest Ukrainian position was from the Nadiya-defense-video:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxaAYNhvDiNaOBgJ7J8BA6JJ6LJ7Ay9Lzock5_DudM7CTS5E8_a_2wJ-XBktq8GtHopnBxqn2URkaaFKev5d9H7h9ylMTAv5ekCkAU6yC6gHMytj4eUw25b9Hdj0OHuOj22k7x-PkIjSU/s640/Metalist+52.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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That Ukrainian and the Russian/LPR positions are clearly visible on the June 30th 2014 image in Google Earth:<br />
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Projected on a larger Google Earth map all these positions looks like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYi6k2eA7lphHbDYY67rkgz0hmIkMyWCL-hGoFXAEje_DCsowhqD_45vKZ63vDsqpQVZQCaODMZe5GJdGyABHDqKTQDvK0G3s9crVIeLiOEz9aze3KED3yl4JZHiiALSvF592epB_zxPU/s640/Metalist+53.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The nearest Ukrainian positions are 9,5 kms away from the Metalist crosspoint. Even the golf course is still 6,5 kms away. The 2B9 has a maximum range of 4,3 kms, the calculated range (with an absurd straight line to the target is 2,4 kms, the likely range would be more like 1 km maybe. It means THERE IS NO WAY the Ukrainians could have fired these shells. The shells were fired FROM WITHIN Russian occupied territory.<br />
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<b>Known Russian mortar position nearby</b><br />
Nearby the Metalist crosspoint is a known Russian mortar position, within the determined ranges:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_8KEIPbLCPcDWtyF3pGS6qCL5KdHHbokRCpXbTUU0KRpAGARIWV5ivq0L0cuFyGLTa0V6-xN4SWboW4P8IPZ8KidlwOn7vlhLLfplWTu8rVZpzcUtJbi935QCVchy9SiJJRQMJFjDujo/s640/Metalist+56.JPG" /><br />
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A car can be seen and the tracks are typical for one or two cars parking, unloading and shooting a mortar:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqhSjEtLd9ADCQsTnDFYzDevBrVjir_vuZaCjEOxnzbmTnJctqr2kbRu6G-znz6TxEFdRY6k19HwH2Woq1reTRh0v0n-06YUADwlEGplY8tgAEMo6NnD1htIm9u_Q_hIsvk-72oDKKZok/s640/Metalist+57.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It must have been used more than once.<br />
More southward are more such positions.<br />
Especially when comparing to the June 6th image, it is clear how (intensively) the terrain has been used:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOLyOAdrJosRg0Vxzm-RQ__SGRU-3AyQQCGVAwfPsbaZ1dguArg4hGObDY_gSCTaYB7pcacsl0inDwxGCh3GxYrkSzaJC9VV1GJeZ1pxmy3IHgVjrJP2Cl1AXWFRNqyUoeeEXKNFeH7P8/s640/Metalist+58.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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So it is very well possible that the crossroad has been shelled from this position.<br />
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<b>Determining the direction</b><br />
Could it be possible to determine the direction? This screenshot from the impact at the side of the road shows a typical pattern:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhEQ2DVMOWtyLcXZgQZDz1eRp3_m5RsRnicD18hOlZZcHSdWL6X0Ga1HC4ANZIz7bDRqLHz0VJq2iuoVWWKrxFt3k-C9O-3OoyFR8XjDERUyZzj7VSHoGmJ0OF1Urpc8r1o_GCuG9dlQ_0/s640/Metalist+59b.JPG" /><br />
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One part of the blast is bigger, longer and at a lower angle to the ground than the other one, which is smaller. My interpretation is that this is caused by the angle the mortar penetrates the ground:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQ9mtA80E8OTwkzOXtnHqOHl4l9AvcP6WQF-f3cqiSj3Gh4e-GIyNfNYlo4J6fzguD6K8soRa2OKIf32oOVlfqOhnVr6fRkpDDqs_dGfcbgyzSQw2SGiACcNpGL4euKBAQALut5djagmY/s640/Metalist+60.JPG" /></div>
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One part of the explosion is facing slightly upwards, creating the larger part of the blast. The other part of the exploding shell is facing downwards INTO the ground, thus getting more resistance and creating the smaller could of dust.</div>
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That means the smaller part is facing the direction of impact and the larger part is facing forward.</div>
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THAT means the shell came from <b>southwest</b> direction.</div>
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Another way to determine impact direction is to examine the pattern of the crater(s) as it appears on satellite images, as is done in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2015/01/google-earth-shows-russians-crossed.html" target="_blank">this blog</a> for instance:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLENImX0t8S9pekEDXkCB884LAQ9wibBPxqPgT0zyI6kAWOe3qVbZKZi4BYZZwhxHOWcAvq7O5SEQAvM5cs7C43BLM2fuc9ZhtRS6POU7o9iOEzT4NG7yWb3jNsfozZOd3KgIFsVY355w/s640/Zelenopole+12.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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Unfortunately the impact craters on the Metalist image are not very clear. Only the one next to the road MIGHT give a clue:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUO3pGjrnS5Y4NyO1dAM_9VkkbFwBwZ7NADAzra-ga-HENeZJRzmuxu1zpv_vdRVFJRDVsc8OaV3H0FFOzYIqvt3g5iOE9aa0mZVGtbE_Wq2jglu8_v5cSIuZNNnGQ6Jvqnx_t5tnio8g/s640/Metalist+61.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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MAYBE a pattern can be seen there as indicated in the right side of the image above. This may coincide with the approximate <b>southwest</b> direction from the video.</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgD9z6buoAz7GKvYKVDB8vAVAaBseI5saGlODcPYLO09UgxbT4i7q2w5TqCQjwTebweTnZSw3SxYHAypanvlaWup9oII34BgP_qPQ_9UIJy948U8OuSzsTQZoH48mYlSnjcvez-48uHTXA/s640/Metalist+62.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Starting from 850 to 1.800 meters there is an area to park and hide a truck with a mounted Vasilek between the bushes. We know they typically use this set-up for such hit-and-run operations. See <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2015/01/graphic-leninsky-bus-attack.html" target="_blank">this blo</a>g for instance about the Leninsky Bus attack. Or <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2015/02/januari-30th-shelling-in-donetsk-likely.html" target="_blank">this one</a>.</div>
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This direction does NOT correspond with the other known mortar area (orange ellipse).</div>
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For comparison: the satellite image of August 8th DOES show how Ukrainian shells littered the place with craters:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi-sy5nRIdccsjeBF3VC-N733zJqICkWyECLr8ZAoyVlvvN0lZ-3EwAuSRyqaLRDD4_YVfaqCkxzrDHjD3uNhV0lHADpHihU6Oo1IYWG0sMcdlN5ykaWki7zZnEIY8hbTJZAz14ttoNgmo/s640/Metalist+66.JPG" /><br />
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And here June 30th:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNdK578Cl3gW0jtfR8Wm0jJpI2caRZaOzetFxK1YyrlaJKUB3yUeiqqYczuU3kFwEu-fQCP64PgBqI-G3vleCsXzdTkQ0jvABPgiGN2dsKJgkD-dIkq_jTCDydOi6ausisQVbsd9Gpc-A/s640/Metalist+65.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It shows Ukraine/Aidar had not shelled this crossroad up to June 30th and thus not on June 17th either.<br />
Also read <a href="http://ukraine.popo.lt/2014/06/19/aidar-batallions-statement-regarding-the-ambush/" target="_blank">this statement</a> from an Aidar member who talks about their mortar firing at Metalist that day:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9HoI4IRimTpaoRw5vSi_aD5seR3CiaT3Rk68WZGB7dsWb_HI5XmRl7TNjJlGb_70ePv0WgGpw5y_rm18yShImknBcOYYHKyX_xnagmeaBh_DXM-vkCY3jaY3Q0iOtavGZHUAGLgC59zY/s1600/Metalist+67.JPG" /></div>
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So this must have been the CP NORTH of Metalist and not the one SOUTH. That makes sense because the northern one would be the first one the attack force would meet.<br />
Also this was during darkness until sunrise. While the RT video was recorded at 10:40 during daylight.<br />
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<b>Conclusions</b></div>
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The conclusions we can draw from this analysis are:</div>
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<li>The behaviour of the civilians in the videos is extremely weird. They walk towards the impact area, instead of walking away from it. And they don't seem bothered at all. This raises doubt. Where they hired and instructed to walk like that, because 'they were making a video and they didn't need to worry'?</li>
<li>The videos definitely have been edited for effect and propaganda purposes. It wants to show that Ukraine deliberately shelled civilians (and Russian journalists). This type of manipulation casts doubt on the originality of the video. Could it entirely have been a setup?</li>
<li>The firing and impacts seem to be very real. It does not look like controlled explosions. It does indeed look like incoming exploding mortar shells.</li>
<li>The quick sequence of multiple launches and impacts indicate a setup with 3 mortars must have been used.</li>
<li>The very short time between launch and impact of 1,8 seconds indicates the range could by no means have exceeded 2,3 kilometers. More likely the range is somewhere between 1 and 1,5 kms.</li>
<li>The closest Ukrainian artillery position was 9,5 kms away. The most forward Russian position was even 3 kms up north. This means the shells had been fired from Russian occupied and controlled territory.</li>
<li>The maximum range of a Vasilek and/or 82mm mortar is 4,3 kms. Even that is out of range of Ukrainian positions.</li>
<li>That means Russian( terrorist)s fired the mortar.</li>
<li>There is a known Russian mortar position within range that could have fired the shells.</li>
<li>The possible direction of impact indicate it was fired anywhere between West and South direction.</li>
<li>There are many good spots to hide a (truck-mounted) Vasilek or a regular mortar setup in that direction from which the crossroad could be fired at.</li>
<li>But even if fired from a different direction... the Russians are well-known by now to fire from THEIR frontline to their back, into their own occupied territory as to give the impression Ukrainians fired upon them/civilians.</li>
<li>Truck-mounted Vasilek are known to be used for such similar hit-and-run attacks on civilians.</li>
<li>Ukraine had not shelled that crossroad at least up to June 30th.</li>
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<b>Possible scenarios</b></div>
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A. It was an accident: the Russians, like they have done so many times more, wanted to make great footage for TV. So they send in the journos and fired mortars. They got great footage, but unfortunately the journos got hit and died.</div>
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B. It was a setup. They hired the civilians and they sent in the journos. It was there intention to get victims and drama. Luckily the civilians did not get hit. But the journos did.<br />
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C. It was a trap. Unaware, the journalists and civilians were targeted by some terrorist team with mortars.<br />
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The most likely scenario to me seems to be B. They had lured the civilians into the deadly trap and wanted to get great shots for TV. When you play with fire, you can get burned. And so the journalists got killed instead. The Russians make a story and a show out of it anyway.<br />
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You don't think they are capable of doing something like this? See <a href="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1413884370" target="_blank">this video</a> where Motorola is deliberately shelling his comrades as a practical joke. On another day people can die like that.</div>
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Or remember the other incident where Russian cameraman Anatoly Klyan was driving in a bus into a Ukrainian military base in Donetsk, because they were told the "Ukrainians would surrender" and they could film "mothers happily getting reunited with their sons". But the Ukrainians were defending their base against daily attacks and opened fire as soon as the bus arrived and eventually the cameraman died. Who told them to get in and that it would be safe? Think about it...</div>
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Whatever EXACTLY the truth is in this case, it is just another example of Russians killing Russians (possibly even TRYING to get civilians killed) and then trying to blame Ukraine for it. In this case even Nadiya Savchenko who was busy saving wounded comrades.</div>
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<b>UPDATE 15-9-2015</b><br />
I have had an active military expert with lots of combat experience look at the video and give me his opinion/impression. His answer:<br />
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<li>The (last three) explosions must have come "from the right side", which is somewhere between south and west.</li>
<li>It is impossible that Ukrainians shot this artillery from 9,5 kms because you would not even hear the firing anymore from that distance! You would ONLY hear impacts. Only under very favorable circumstances, like no obstacles and wind is right) you might hear something. But not like it is in the video.</li>
<li>The short time between launch and impact indicates it must have been fired from 1 to 2 kms distance.</li>
<li>It must have been a setup of three small mortars with a commander giving a fire command so they fire simultaneously.</li>
<li>They must have set up, aimed and tested them (long) before the video was taken, because the impacts were on spot right away.</li>
<li>The smoke in the destroyed bus (in the beginning of the video) is suspicious. It is an indication it has been fired upon previously.</li>
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All this is more than a confirmation of the findings in this blog.<br />
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Now that we are talking about this... Back then a video was published with exactly such a setup from the known Russian mortar location. Here it is:<br />
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It has been published on July 3rd 2014, meaning it has been recorded on or before this date.<br />
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This screenshot shows two distinct electricity poles:<br />
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<img border="0" height="252" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh8y0_ocDlcKkAGNIw-948zlyZWXt8a8kiqqxb8u1wo1fdzsxftq-E5V19aiQiZG1qqHixEVhbebXhu_21CcFXwtiBw3fZ0sEyYVgvIHDoCr6pOjxQnzgBvStYM2r-LbP3oAhm-wRmznTw/s640/mortar+1.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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These same type of poles can also be seen in <a href="http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=35&with_photo_id=62540190&order=date_desc&user=6478533" target="_blank">this Panoramio photo</a> taken near Metalist:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEia860WcWCJRoaXa_IJ11sSN2sjNZps_9eDMgNI9yBsiO6SatyFMxcDmOtRmMFgPM6eSbWyThjB0CZT6iLa8-TIENEiGvdKpcQ1bSsJEHXz70z7jWd8poVhYbbtRV0WULFbkwKJtQUvXQQ/s640/mortar+2.JPG" /><br />
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This video-panorama shows nearly 180 degrees of the surroundings:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsqzC03nypqWPB5QTl1Sp4RmAEsgQjYZvbCUpOk7jav1qihYRZCBFwGkCiDVOkijwzoj1OCzbTgAGHVGnnRRRIks4Aa5Qx9e1itQmB4DE9n3q-Jw_J0gygUdxHhkeg8iCEBref0JdrsGg/s640/%25D0%259B%25D1%2583%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%252C+%25D0%25A3%25D0%25BA%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0+%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8+%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BC%25D1%2591%25D1%2582%25D0%25BD%25D1%258B%25D0%25B9+%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D1%2580%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BB+%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BE+%25D0%25BF%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B8%25D1%2586%25D0%25B8%25D1%258F%25D0%25BC+%25D0%25A1%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BB%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2+03.07.14_stitch.jpg" /><br />
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Note that this is in a field, there are larger trees in the distance (blue), smaller bushes closeby (red and yellow) and a line of trees at the right (green). The poles (orange) are there too and even a group of three poles can be seen in the distance (right orange area)<br />
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<img border="0" height="406" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvZkokKmlHTaOnD5hpirBavfoPF-c-qy3Ga3fS4gizG7O1lvY_FEQtX__EyGVwyF74zGfOkkAX0grFUvpQnDhauprVWQMV4R7-sGi4p39HIflwIvpTVtsaRIz6pA0zwxjYjN5fnmiPmKs/s640/mortar+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This typically is the environment we already mentioned.<br />
On the map this can be situated something like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjue8d-UXNjv3bSIClotjwLhmnGHZQfda3pEGczYUT9XY503AruwxLVXYMnoMRnnQ8XcmTQSyamOVG9YzUTkMDUV-qEjjXppNDTtJGX9FyWyGtXJRDgg6kiwbpyF5SJB3q9PUk_0dIOthg/s640/mortar+4.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The green stroke with the larger trees is most prominently visible. There are several smaller trees (yellow) and a distinct single one (red). But it might be slightly different too, either a little bit more north or south.<br />
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On a larger scale:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgc8lHM0KEoAMeJYLymIm1HR-KD9ghwBV67ak0Dgkn5hUr3JMotKG5u4fvetvrBJLJV50KhaTdu7Azf2wcTBTFGXrxSZrd7BOH099_TMiQxWUXMM45BwGVqHWA_zWbSPkdgmjaUhv2GzyM/s640/mortar+5.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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We can clearly see the first two poles with the trees in front of it. The third group of three poles can be seen going over the crossroad. From the camera position those appear together in a group.<br />
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When the camera swings most to the right just before zooming in, unnatural lines can be seen behind the trees what could be one or more buildings:<br />
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<img border="0" height="254" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjg5XkvR5OLKlB1Y_unRNZQkzf9pVx28SVJRUmTZXFiS13r064F_cOuGjs8tVxMxChNbh6su-vgDGjQD83JULWPRxV9basgL9yEa2zJusnromv0Dt_ySGhvdEPHgL6UbcF8bL9FefXh-wg/s640/mortar+6.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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When we draw a line into that direction on the map, we can indeed see buildings there:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYLQMGQp6-9xXez4guXiJ6yVqrh1o3YkSGEcdn741oB8CfJdTJLBiJp7C3iBOzahCvI_MTTFb4f9giAigs65jqvAAwOXJe-L7fWX0q1bwQmXycwtSutgxCJzs8rkXXa0LZak6aKAk0Nk8/s640/mortar+7.JPG" /><br />
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Ironically Wikimapia says <a href="http://wikimapia.org/18662198/ru/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4-%C2%AB%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%9F%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F%C2%BB#ge" target="_blank">this is a shooting range</a>...<br />
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This is (one of) the building(s) we can vaguely see on the video:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiruiQ4cG-7ydmSgkIRTPKSxNT6On5g9GPmLTX4Eu_Ue1EepbAGDGCetwRCdTr6WeC1H7AjtOoRVz-OIaaYPd7EoNEFFQV_X2VbEuQEhkQ4-WDWUX6pTyqhbh7aTDKif-ZWkmci-6PO_o0/s640/mortar+8.JPG" /><br />
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Now notice the direction the mortars are shooting at:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg6sEDbAXztSTKoVcJlqveeaBYK7HqWCgCGtS0gQ36BPBa5rLUE0WmgOKAXRrVrpyQeMRj2cGd715Rd8dhaBxMyjy764kaMrNsOmG7_qZolzhVYxL05KR7deaZu7BA20RoYB8YBChMjn3Q/s640/mortar+9.JPG" /><br />
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They are aiming approximately at the crossroad where the three poles are !!<br />
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This makes sense, because the Ukrainians are trying to take this crosspoint.<br />
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But also notice this:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZuuakN6yt9AA3XGUzwKPY_PZvAvibxZWZNlyqLjqPnyhk6gcLdTkpFOotOCVwbqZfG-qkjQrQZrgI80r1Zguq2Q1OBgs8ysTNYKwAkyapMM408-Y5Whi9mry5KE6K5Hy_4mEDvUw2CUU/s640/mortar+10.JPG" /><br />
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In the beginning of the video, they remove branches from the mortars that are already there and positioned. Without much effort they fire them.<br />
This is exactly the situation the military expert described, without him even seeing this mortar-video.<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
This video proofs that the Russians had three mortars pre positioned in that area and aiming at the crossing on/before the 3rd of July. Satellite images on Google show that the tracks and traces are not present on July 5th and several positions appear on the June 30th video. This shows that area has been used multiple times.<br />
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The mortar-video itself is not showing the firing that occurred on June 17th, because the mortars fired independently from each other, while the firing on the 17th happened simultaneously. So this must have been filmed during another event.<br />
Nevertheless this even more demonstrates that the 17th-shelling was an orchestrated deliberate attempt to get some people killed there, because the reason to fire simultaneously is to get multiple explosions at the same time giving less chance to flee and escape any of them.</div>
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<b>UPDATE</b><br />
The Russian investigation into this shelling reports about another crater more to the North (in upper right corner):<br />
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<img border="0" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9HhVafucqdj50Par5VMYCHZFwLbK4z-xxRYkwo4gjCg3raIWixc7wl5ryFn3xxGOjoC9a_5hwpjaNQeR65Wy50qnbY-m14cRa62faZ-ASyCnn6Kk5zs7l5sfJ65c1TviCHfWtaVRC-jQ/s640/CeZHoIYUAAABfxE.jpg" width="480" /></div>
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Indeed the 30-6-2014 satellite image shows an impact crater there:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJsPFmSl5UcLS9cWN8DwvBj2BIMe44mCxpA5zRHd6y-x3-slT9KnSXrYO0X7goMGf7FYu5-iTJ9_1u6GfohwiufoQ5nicI6XIjCdznKtdPIlNC9MTaPiBWLK1tx_4dxnbmj8pb0KCszpQ/s640/Metalist+8.JPG" /><div>
<br />The impact direction does come from the North. But it could as well have come from the Ukrainian positions (blue) as the Russian (red):<br />
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<img border="0" height="440" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhx8sgIZvRJz9geHXpgRJWKXkKl9DVQSFi1qVI0-8hmVNgJ4uvVAA4pUZdMgVAxTp3W-UJyWT_pi-D7P0bO6oIxgmkUB_9-mCP3zwpDOVqxIEIBLWkXRIOYTIjkjiq1kfJpt78Uj-CZDbc/s640/Metalist+7.JPG" width="640" /><br /><br />
The impact shape exactly matches the other impacts near the Russian position, which are definitely from Ukrainian artillery:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFo469ayuNTzL_meb4VfpzjKmFZ2zqkOepU_0399mv4__f9Efdp572ysMHCtUMGq7n8tUrCn66CYd6G4oRWdy6a12WoN0rpd-dZLrbBB6Zt2SnRQime-iukqCfw1owNYzrZVFNQoV9O64/s640/Metalist+9.JPG" width="640" /><br />
But even this impact is indeed from Ukrainian origin, it is 600+ meters apart from the Metalist Checkpoint and therefore must be considered a lone/stray impact without any relationship with the Metalist impacts. It's direction does not proof the other impacts also came from Northern side.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjK_KrVKODXxSGDg3-4C-Amu-Y07t_uVNvq7MH6YKzI91sKcyhIGHmzHYfgc-VhbJTVcUx5pXiQf9E_SsPlLz4IvidMXRQ5nGQ_G4O8wAuVFUzn9YbSKwtog3TAUUJ5zQ8FNmkVI9M_-PM/s640/Metalist+10.JPG" /><br />
Large orange area = impact zone at Metalist Checkpoint<br />
Small orange area = lone/stray impact unrelated to the other impacts</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-34809744607214075142015-08-14T15:14:00.000-07:002015-09-09T13:30:37.119-07:00Possible truck and tanks identified that escorted the Russian BUK that shot down MH17<a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/07/russian-transport-of-buk-into-ukraine.html" target="_blank">This blog</a> about how the BUK had entered Ukraine on the 17th of July 2014, shows this photo:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbVRtGV2ZN69BZx75jN3WMe1JbLHoSWhdAMa_4Hx6coT7EHC4PyyQBD5FJpOPnEJPwDi6fvS00adVYVFVSaUC6YiXeuzCf0ZsnqUpgzLQIJ7Q3ULJn5wH2RRS_TeIbVnEeo7vd1FTtnt8/s1600/MH17+10.jpg" /><br />
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It was a screenshot taken from the video that was shot from an apartment building in Zuhres and it was released by the SBU at that time. Yet they never released the video itself containing the truck. Only the part where the BUK could be seen on the loader.</div>
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It is a typical reinforced Ural truck, but it never got much attention.</div>
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We know from the leaked telephone calls that an escort would be arranged and we know it that Vostok battalion had it's base very close to were the BUK was waiting in Donetsk.</div>
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This movie from July 10th 2014 shows a Vostok convoy driving through Donetsk into the direction of Donetsk Airport:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/legDd-1K_k4" width="640"></iframe>
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Two reinforced trucks can be seen identical to the one from the BUK-video-screenshot.<br />
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TRUCK #1<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1ZrfxtfzhzOuMxz6wdCdGlqnJeuDEapUhi2Y9BkuAExVtJyexY0JMH-zvahi1CPSlbhuPIBXj9KQtykev_Xy006tN9wLpZU7pM6dojh78T4NRP9GFQLKSkM3_092FdAD2LlHeef5E428/s1600/Ural+6.JPG"><img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1ZrfxtfzhzOuMxz6wdCdGlqnJeuDEapUhi2Y9BkuAExVtJyexY0JMH-zvahi1CPSlbhuPIBXj9KQtykev_Xy006tN9wLpZU7pM6dojh78T4NRP9GFQLKSkM3_092FdAD2LlHeef5E428/s640/Ural+6.JPG" width="640" /></a></div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-V78BWz5QpCeKqe0qZFKxqMbe25IFgUThZb6-ZRgw_tG0HQxn5dPavyaUg4ALzKKitZJ-VB5IUPsd0SYHmRtrPsm28qJD19tEJTZYgCvSvyBZxI_tXN8By90AMMD3ehLUu1n5jBcAsEo/s1600/Ural+1.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-V78BWz5QpCeKqe0qZFKxqMbe25IFgUThZb6-ZRgw_tG0HQxn5dPavyaUg4ALzKKitZJ-VB5IUPsd0SYHmRtrPsm28qJD19tEJTZYgCvSvyBZxI_tXN8By90AMMD3ehLUu1n5jBcAsEo/s640/Ural+1.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA9U4KqBWbudnedaG_2zzzHV4Lwxi4sjz0dJMlNPT-hJUodNMB3ISnUt-u-FIW0BkWka6SGTY1IFhdGSK_6LGqGTl200rwTMNClTXT4O9mbslk0yKrUyFB58nd4OUDRupRUzzGlRDsUvk/s1600/Ural+3.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA9U4KqBWbudnedaG_2zzzHV4Lwxi4sjz0dJMlNPT-hJUodNMB3ISnUt-u-FIW0BkWka6SGTY1IFhdGSK_6LGqGTl200rwTMNClTXT4O9mbslk0yKrUyFB58nd4OUDRupRUzzGlRDsUvk/s640/Ural+3.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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TRUCK #2<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjo2SGhtjZsPCyaSuOH5ZbGHocs_PqjEXfKKLojiM8-2LuyvzRRcVP3w4OhW4ZtGH8SJcp7L1oGHJOjASj9dBzSNe6bROBF6dRE6yICmgY9q4ZOjipeHiCaicvzYV36z6ZL5bY9_7k6cBw/s1600/Ural+5.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjo2SGhtjZsPCyaSuOH5ZbGHocs_PqjEXfKKLojiM8-2LuyvzRRcVP3w4OhW4ZtGH8SJcp7L1oGHJOjASj9dBzSNe6bROBF6dRE6yICmgY9q4ZOjipeHiCaicvzYV36z6ZL5bY9_7k6cBw/s640/Ural+5.JPG" width="640" /></a></div>
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjopyXOLEEOuaure0oripnNQYJMQSQGQAZ7A8tNoDkDcFonLrWi6p6oOta78ZoqdnHuqgx9KIWMNVVX_dti8gJvejS7a-AdtZ0M14fb_2keLmw4bJS8dML75PoFdckhq_ULhIQdjlKABEE/s1600/Ural+2.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjopyXOLEEOuaure0oripnNQYJMQSQGQAZ7A8tNoDkDcFonLrWi6p6oOta78ZoqdnHuqgx9KIWMNVVX_dti8gJvejS7a-AdtZ0M14fb_2keLmw4bJS8dML75PoFdckhq_ULhIQdjlKABEE/s640/Ural+2.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiw6-pb7kwzlhkLlAFvgIX-09t6QcHc8g42BhP5GOZgqbaOmmJxGPuAnUzWNKKBkoPagBpw4wOFYkcjJUA5fW1UoGnMbCB_cvzJjXA_jajMSVfgAjT1MInGslHADVXtarCQFsbKu1VIRR8/s1600/Ural+4.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiw6-pb7kwzlhkLlAFvgIX-09t6QcHc8g42BhP5GOZgqbaOmmJxGPuAnUzWNKKBkoPagBpw4wOFYkcjJUA5fW1UoGnMbCB_cvzJjXA_jajMSVfgAjT1MInGslHADVXtarCQFsbKu1VIRR8/s640/Ural+4.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Since Ural #2 has a machine gun mounted on top, that is not visible on the screenshot, it is very likely that this Ural #2 accompanied the BUK on that fatal day.<br />
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Of course there is a slight chance that they even had more of these modified Urals and that another such one accompanied the BUK. Yet that specific design was typical for Vostok battalion and thus it was Vostok battalion that accompanied the BUK to Snizhne.</div>
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<b>Another piece of the puzzle</b><br />
Another piece of the puzzle comes from <a href="https://youtu.be/COtYvxTg90o?t=44m19s" target="_blank">this video</a>. Three Russian T-64 can be seen driving on a road: </div>
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<img border="0" height="340" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-5TF9yHej5fCB_znZfv6yzS3dadoJ7Lrjq1gObgYBQyc327x9FYm5kZOBiAgBES1N2qR9MdUBwpwjSQuQuOL3tEOvEpKJjWxgc2q48nmo_SjgYRbAea-gMHZKUaFxAZqZm1ta6pdp26k/s640/T-64+1.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This is the road driving TOWARDS Torez coming from Donetsk direction. This is the location:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhB2dBkk-Rw9Fmk8RdKMJuAVo7UKK3wgPkV2do5egq5BZe9aO2AnZhCVMa62PFqXfAgiRu01eEfP5bE8TySYLdMrACXvlj4iqedRBwvd_6mLbhwHV5XYpC8l1orIBoqLqImV7xmSciPTGs/s640/T-64+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0196776,38.6502161,160m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google Maps link</a>.<br />
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<a href="http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=229&with_photo_id=59053091&order=date_desc&user=6312772" target="_blank">This Panoramio photo</a> has been shot into the same direction, but further down the road. The buildings in the distance are the same as in the video:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqiR6YRrmTktm567hDwynVDqa8ZyHBWHsSD_J005KD6MvTCifN_iHoo3nxOITCR7RQxAnBOjZv6XHFPCa810HnrnzOYbpMsXv4uhsJk0V6BzQNlBraZqk70OwRrjAwITP81dRmRAkiBQ0/s640/Ural+8.JPG" /><br />
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Red x = approximate position of camera filming the T-64s</div>
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The shadow of the barrel can be seen on the ground (in the video it is a bit more clear than on the photo). The light is coming from the (upper) left side of the road/tank:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7EButu2B7emKXrzBRNEgDty_hHYrgy98Cha7gUB5RhrrZaszwoTtTPcC7ceU2EujFX8mgXwycosbO-EnF3PY1IQtaAdqltnTEvZtFtBXE1fIVUMAg7snG8NpPeAvmHRP02H6Z3oQpF5s/s640/Ural+7.JPG" /><br />
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With <a href="http://www.suncalc.net/" target="_blank">suncalc.net</a> we can now calculate the approximate time at that moment. Set the location and the date. Then slide the time-button (red encircled) until the orange line corresponds with the direction of the light/shadow:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi2Wnr-Zrfs8jFYDzA5xc6sl5HO4ahaYmp2raAgmE_SilEq5FUp1DVprS-1Q7lBXCHUdXk-yM1RPDLNnHXMOZCu3TchC3hY-B5nlH0cLC9bfj9u3g69H8rIU6unx5bELo6zRhNtqW1dL38/s640/Ural+9.JPG" /><br />
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That time is somewhere between 11:00 and 12:00 local time of the computer checking. Since this computer is in Europe the local time in Ukraine was between 12:00 and 13:00. This is the probable time the BUK was transported down this same road.</div>
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So it is very well possible that these three T-64s were part of that transport! </div>
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Another screenshot from the Zuhres-video does show exactly such a tank too:</div>
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It means it is very well possible that the BUK was filmed at this moment too! But RT left those shots unpublished for obvious reasons. Or the loader came a little bit later and wasn't catched on film.</div>
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Another video was shot at almost the same location also shows the three tanks AND the modified Ural:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/I0tkiyKXvwY" width="640"></iframe>
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It means the RT video was shot from this car:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjE3Pp8AMToTOLiuc4Nv9brKAhGZYwWTrmPoa8F3QLFId1D7xRmT1C1W0Bzuw97YLg_UbYHcI_2BUGwaRzpjTZZIC6eyKWCmB0O9jNY4I2h12Il1tKTJL7RMJHLdxdBkusquCMbgg4Hw-c/s640/Ural+11.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Maybe somebody can trace it down?<br />
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Yet another video shows this Vostok transport:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/99Lgd_1Fn-c" width="640"></iframe>
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It is filmed like this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEichX5WSlEGbEVnIcaM_k_Tl8-oAczvQagw5pj60Q9R4HLrgRLBN0SvIAB-lWrKxgWzH52BfkI6oxbuBJoj1gZhCTi6rOSqslnb0Gf_ButP07Y-ia3R4kdTGOtQXseQYYRdkQCroDXGm4I/s640/Ural+10.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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from <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.04491,38.0156,84m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">this location</a> on the outskirts of Makeevka. It does show the modified Ural and three tanks too. It was filmed at approximately 9:45 local computer time:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjWOyR4YaEF6D09ZWGPqOExe1NG-MeD-NqUm0bITOkSPmhn2J9Mk5MAFPqX29zkZL5FS0yCVuGMxKYECHUMWOIOa7J3G8w8TN5sJk1ME_jIE6yOTtWAHvTbhcMKk_mUM8_0UYV7KyzyUM/s640/Vostok.JPG" /><br />
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That is 10:45 Ukrainian time.<br />
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Also there is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Co587-K4Qc" target="_blank">this video</a> of another transport that day of 4 tanks from 'Oplot' into the direction of Donetsk (it was a busy road for transports...) on <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0448437,38.0113471,160m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">this location</a>:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEja8GT5_AJC_4vHYAyh2RwmQDXijkujbARPjH5Y5pBOOx-hlmV3_GgzmGGOFikvNQhHtwMoYBVgKNjP7QmxsCYUSJtJwAEZANkvzxRGroHUrVgGMm7RwEfQyhUK0tQoMw6cnB1POoc8DOY/s640/oplot.jpg" /><br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
Considering the fact that none of the videos with the Vostok tanks show the BUK, it seems likely that the BUK has been transported a little bit or some more time later.<br />
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Also see <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/09/suncalcing-buk-and-vostok-transport-to.html" target="_blank">this extensive analysis of the BUK-photos and Vostok videos with the Suncalc-method</a>.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-42562720527186425682015-07-18T16:35:00.000-07:002016-04-13T15:59:32.518-07:00Donetsk and Avdiivka heavily hit by Russian shellingVideo shows heavy incoming shelling at center of Donetsk:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Owokwh-bvZQ" width="640"></iframe><br />
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Another video shows (parts of) the same event:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8otk_weNjNA" width="640"></iframe>
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This is the map of the area with camera positions and approximate impact locations:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEho5TSdtf_CXjFnHZV1tFISZ5FPofrT8s5OkarM6luQK9q7DQQGWq7T7wwSe6c4yFrBYXsuGSU1hDJ2uJX9WfcyxwyrL59w1Y7HXZux_E0RUOLD90dNDeB6rm2GBoCZxfSknVkBXHlg9Yc/s640/Donetsk+7.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Aftermath:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5MhAOW_7uWk" width="640"></iframe><br />
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Another aftermath video:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y7E7v7YFBRM" width="640"></iframe>
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That video shows a piece of a shell being picked up:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuA-Snpy0GpLC1HeSdAFJq05rteF3kuDYPGgl_FIyWxQrA2sDSqwrmRtb7JSka5TKUrHyiREOu_4aqt50vP25YNFJ4Y8ZhFfIyADh0zWggsIljW0kyEu4QCcBqpdNDUAc5SKG2KM64T-w/s640/shell+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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That has been identified as a tank shell:<br />
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<a href="https://twitter.com/novostidnua">@novostidnua</a> Университетская 80А, танковый осколочно фугасный, прицельная дальность 4км, до Песок оттуда 10км... <a href="http://t.co/p0Jsqznb4d">pic.twitter.com/p0Jsqznb4d</a></div>
— dex200200 (@Switttttter) <a href="https://twitter.com/Switttttter/status/622490185234825216">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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But... be careful. That piece could easily have planted there before it was picked up.<br />
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This screenshot can better be used to identify the shelltype:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCC0MvfO4e3YKZmq_7KJ2T08PUJM3Z3KrI0gTcsYr3lsrQDBpTQUrE6jMvs1LjK0wFA-GK7a5liLyGfxOancIFuoV3eMX8X7qSTPGrN7qaEFAVswhbpyzBsf-eCk8tT_0rwJNig5ZYID8/s640/shell.JPG" /><br />
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It seems to be a stabilizing fin stuck into the ground.<br />
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This may be something that looks like what we are dealing with here:<br />
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<img border="0" height="388" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4-mHAIzw3trty5Qwi2q_6EFPL0FB_YJgygfJJgZA9ukKKbhU8VJ7YDnzECEkhFGs3m3YfAmwnO2Kciw-fE1N86khJkCRyikyT9MB8j9DAv410T7fVW54rZ6icjTrQqqjdOQZQZ-UnbtA/s640/shell+3.JPG" width="640" /><br />
Source: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/125_mm_smoothbore_ammunition" target="_blank">wikipedia</a>.<br />
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And that happens to be the same kind of shell. So it seems likely that these were HE tank shells.<br />
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This video shows shelling in Donetsk continues during the night:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2QMjLOfeSSA" width="480"></iframe><br />
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Location is here:<br />
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<img border="0" height="437" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHAZm2Hfg7W0g9MsQue-4AVlKvbKzbYDVmMws415TxlVuPXQ736xXTtW55dL3LO88SVT5nRMMtjmAzErdXXxSHNG97NZJkJZVZWRuWYTOqGGe5ubTxlPao8W9a7SC0fKqHH8ntwvcfKhs/s640/Donetsk+11.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@48.0121528,37.7852098,639m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google maps link</a>.<br />
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<b>AVDIIVKA</b><br />
A residential building in Avdiivka has also been hit:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/aHo4W8JFmE4" width="640"></iframe>
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A security camera filmed the incoming shells/explosions:<br />
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<iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6ywd_tgbRRE" width="640"></iframe><br />
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A screenshot from <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFp0XKt7r9w" target="_blank">this video</a> clearly shows where these shells come from:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEic73M8wvIwMaHz-yIygjmwr3pQ22a0p2fhXtpinQsda9ZI6b-aUP7se2yWyEe1NmyCHHZcI6mEyIkOVKmyJnXYM4ttJD-Whq1A3JHPA3Eaxf1KpWMVMvlofjUQs0-hevdDT_SSWIMIB_0/s640/Avdiivka+8.JPG" /><br />
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That's from the South:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQZjryBVRFXK4T0oq_4ZejQZui9pAqDiRZfT9YhXOrlk_NYC4Zxz29BeHFv10pUj4Eh7aNbZwq5CJwdPD5lvXFHm_vq9fkgckeyAqZ06b9uCyo4nRYLQ5KpgWQ8ANLFXE4v1dEx3bDKcU/s640/Avdiivka+9.JPG" /><br />
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That line goes straight to the high apartment buildings near Donetsk Airport that have served as Givi's HQ during the entire battle for Donetsk Airport:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCfen3xaUHxntGrmYUKRzOQVWyD3RUjs9p9e_NRcasErd0aMb53-Ul4CsNdWhd1so3cM1i_-TOygWyHD_iI5wfIrwo2AKpfOwX2_VfKc1P8FWY40cwyMzuJvrD7BQ9onL3dRZje4wSvH4/s640/Avdiivka+11.JPG" /><br />
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It means they have a good view on thoose buildings in Avdiivka and can see the impacts (or zero them in).</div>
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The security camera shows these buildings here:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhKGqPz7ZeWHoXuLztTBlCQcKtRopGLVIVvH29g-7wn6YzTOEnd1XCBejYEpvxJ96PLOQQrIKNl5btINUYH3h_3auyhyGOc96zw5QRqgM1bLZ4Ic9S_G-TQDDxBO38qNCPgLob1AnDJ8ck/s640/Avdiivka+10.JPG" /><br />
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<b>MORE INFO</b></div>
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Makeevka also getting hit with casualties. <a href="https://t.co/odQK9xQz5O">https://t.co/odQK9xQz5O</a></div>
— Ukraine@war (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/622509063163760640">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke">@JulianRoepcke</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins">@EliotHiggins</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros">@DajeyPetros</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/noclador">@noclador</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/loogunda">@loogunda</a>
FYI, all relevant hashtags, incl. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%81?src=hash">#Донбас</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA?src=hash">#Донецк</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA?src=hash">#Луганск</a> flooded by bots</div>
— Ričardas Peldžius (@RPeldito) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPeldito/status/622520518567174144">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://t.co/pro9xQP9pk">https://t.co/pro9xQP9pk</a> 3 civilians killed in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Avdiivka?src=hash">#Avdiivka</a> shelling 2 days after West+<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> 'decentralize' <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> <a href="http://t.co/waFwRqV6Zb">pic.twitter.com/waFwRqV6Zb</a></div>
— Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/status/622331531512651776">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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1 hour before heavy shelling of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Donetsk?src=hash">#Donetsk</a> began, Zakharchenko gave DPR troops "strict orders" <a href="https://t.co/zTSE8rLjgo">https://t.co/zTSE8rLjgo</a> <a href="http://t.co/nRinzeSaN8">pic.twitter.com/nRinzeSaN8</a></div>
— GorseFires Collectif (@GorseFires) <a href="https://twitter.com/GorseFires/status/622501364397133824">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Yesterday Putin met National Security Council to discuss Ukraine's "failure" to give autonomy to DPR/LPR. Tonight Russia shells <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Donetsk?src=hash">#Donetsk</a>...</div>
— GorseFires Collectif (@GorseFires) <a href="https://twitter.com/GorseFires/status/622502370979803136">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<b>CONCLUSION</b><br />
Russia intensified it's attacks including deliberate targeting of civilian areas (either occupied or not). It is a coordinated attack including Social Media attacks by the St. Petersburg Troll centre.<br />
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Of course, as always Russia blames Ukraine. But it may be clear this is Russian instigated shelling.<br />
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And we all fear it is the prelude to a new massive summer-offensive.<br />
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Donetsk outskirts are filled to the brim with ruscists and their tanks/artillery... we're balancing between shellings and full-scale war...</div>
— путен XУЙЛO (@xuilolala) <a href="https://twitter.com/xuilolala/status/622494027745767429">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-86636925506167463452015-07-17T01:03:00.000-07:002015-07-18T06:22:03.333-07:00Russia hijacked MH370 and made it disappear as a distraction from its invasion into Crimea?In <a href="http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/564684/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-MH370-hijacked-Russians-Vladimir-Putin-conspiracy-theory" target="_blank">this article</a> aviation expert <a href="http://jeffwise.net/" target="_blank">Jeff Wise</a> says Russia might have hijacked MH370.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-LZxcBXM-Kgyv5z16VR9EcQmg2HlKpvBb3vtzvnNjSd47kAbtSD1vhxzFjfOyqaznBKDrX7yoBjUO-KgKNXRGdhNHkSjb7f-qONikpMDZVjRQKqKnp382BNf_gQQ7L69u8e7Kr6WnoBc/s640/MH370+1.JPG" /><br />
The articles says it must have been a 'sophisticated operation' and the Russian could do this:<br />
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<img border="0" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjj10v27I3GFWDMCD0nEG8Y0B_1lInHBy7xCL539qLuRYvDqJV228TS9wV0M2D49IDzVYD9nCBB6WHc6PPY0NU_n0anSCqCT5De8mjLquVjcvJ6H5zW7Z-pgTFS-behFJrewXPYckGV-yo/s640/MH370+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHbnOK7VXUm1MPkAkIxHHdp5EyeCZLqjvt6Y5PXYl6Cnm2pWrAXWgcfPGZJidyYO-zEv7vFa70xUFpHMdaM06lBIA_3b1hhliJrpEto4lequqI5SNNalXcvxXDnOftfaYsXTYS2Ghv_I4/s640/MH370+6.JPG" /><br />
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Russian Airlines Aeroflot has boeing 777 in its fleet, so they have the knowledge of the systems.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiC8xHrksXSRsPoasQsoXFQ_j0ltqDUY6wFFXuKv1tVwJovJBq1Gj3PY0aoi6w-zG4Id7GrHh0-WQ1zjEoQ1l7iMVM44HZFSol_oL5193bgo3J3YJN8h5KBd6fXNGcOU3EnC1uox3f37h8/s1600/MH370+3.JPG" /><br />
These three men could for instance have been Russian Aviation Experts, FSB and/or military agents.<br />
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Mr. Wise say he has no idea of what the motive of the Russians could be to make MH370 dissappear:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZ_9il8hMPHsDa5gy2smOcUP6wcDBxRDmsQHDCbNCMpQr3sdhra7nA9Z4oKDba4EaKWx_77oJKxMwM9bWAxrp9H6pRDN2-kV4N72aI5DwpCuL7rndt2gPjtOspHGZToABuPXEU8hlhdvc/s640/MH370+4.JPG" /><br />
But the motive is simple: to create a distraction for the world from Russia taking over Crimea.<br />
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I remember the moment that MH370 disappeared VERY WELL. It was RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of Russia invading and taking over Crimea. By the time it became clear that this was a Russian military operation MH370 disappeared.<br />
My thoughts at that time where like this: "Oh no!!!! Now the world has something else to focus on. They will forget about Russia invading Crimea. How is it possible that this happens at the worst time possible."<br />
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After some time, when details became clear, I thought: "To make an airplane disappear without a trace... that is not a terrorist act, it is not a pilot going bongus. You need to know how to put out a transponder... you need to know how and where to avoid normal radar... This is a very precise operation. It is a military operation! Russia might have made the airplane disappear to create a distraction for the world, because the world was ALL OVER Crimea right than and there.<br />
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I never really published my thoughts on this, knowing that the idea alone is too crazy for some people.<br />
But when Russia shot down MH17, I could not help but mention it, like this (in <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/search?q=not+first+malaysian+airplane" target="_blank">this article</a>):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpzPN1XaxrbhsuYLgOEXSEz-W5t3qEjpJJP_OScK5OlpfcFXgwwiY2PRhrwFajZZXC6Cp_PoDcpQjMlIpg_ba7ikAsw2K7lSmH1xMeJNm2f5bk81oMQb8xv0gb3-0JOzib3JXrvHdHqGM/s640/MH370+5.JPG" /><br />
In <a href="http://armscontrolwonk.com/archive/4701/open-source-and-the-mh17-shootdown" target="_blank">a podcast</a> on July 24th 2014 Eliot Higgins (we hardly knew each other back then) praised my analysis on finding the MH17 missile launch location, but thought my idea of Russians taking down MH370 was far off :-).<br />
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Now, one year after MH17 I wanted to explain myself. Fortunately Jeff Wise, an authority, published his ideas already. That saved me a lot of work.<br />
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So here you are... this is the (conspiracy) theory that has not had enough attention and investigation so far: Russia hijacked MH370 and made it disappear as a distraction from its invasion into Crimea.<br />
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If this is true, it may shed more light on the motive to shoot down MH17 too! Russia got away with making MH370 disappear BIG TIME. So why not do it again?<br />
One day before MH17 was shot down, it became VERY CLEAR to the world that RUSSIA was attacking Ukraine ACROSS the border, because some Russian boy filmed and published GRAD rocket attacks near Gukovo:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhk_H3nmleglifSjZR-PHYPePGR41gBT2cChYK3FtQ3j7ooQjPpm1MnXAo1c3lJG7SexgwuuoiuvI4tODn9xe7B7uvNzKB0EJ3Zcjz3EmdhqXL58sSwTVGb8D4rpBRouMYRpdi68Iuls6k/s640/Border+GRAD+17.jpg" /><br />
Based on those videos we and others could determine from where and in what direction they were shooting. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.<br />
This was HARD evidence! Proof! And it was something that should be avoided to draw the attention of the world AT ALL COSTS. Because it proved Russia's involvement. And at that moment the world was still thinking it was some civil war in Donbas (some still think it is up until today).<br />
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Putin needed a distraction...<br />
Why not shoot down a passenger plane? And blame Ukraine for it? Or if that fails, blame 'the separatists'. That will keep them busy for a loooong time. Meanwhile we can just keep destroying Ukraines army from Russian soil...<br />
They got away with the first one. They might get away with this one too. In fact... one year after MH17, there are little to NO consequences at all for those involved in bringing down MH17. They do get away with it too... And as long as Putin will wage war... he will be immune.<br />
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A more detailed article about Jeff Wise's theory <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/06/mh370-investigators-are-overlooking-crucial-evidence-aviation-expert-jeff-wise_n_6817112.html" target="_blank">can be found here</a> where he even suggest where the plane might be:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrAiCBX8bfmlXKu2S1TCdW3dA8HCYkB0vQAp1MEck8FDP0e_wGz2I7X1Cm7PEmUFfh3piHkkIjA09bnpOY11nCrbAhCe0Au_Q5BQNnUvnY0neqaesZP6PpCIpF8phpp2H93Po0spH5dd4/s640/o-MH370-KAZAKHSTAN-THEORY-570.jpg" /><br />
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<a href="http://jeffwise.net/2015/02/23/what-went-on-at-yubileyniy/" target="_blank">This is his personal blog about it</a>.<br />
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@46.06029,63.23542,10609m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">Google maps link to Yubileyniy Aerodrome</a>.<br />
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<a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/14/the-search-for-mh370-unravels.html" target="_blank">This Daily Beast article</a> argues that MH370 might not have fallen into the ocean, but might be on land:<br />
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<img border="0" height="158" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjnfO-egv6yxL-p3xo1HqBWOCBdmNn71zZV8cBqbMVmH55Dsnef1hMZFebRq9HOhOHZGpJLdMU62p07R7xOWhhMPle7lXIhMliVD7jqo0eYnac2Qy3Q7nyk8YcTCTy94m0GrP9qYa9MCQM/s640/MH370+on+land.JPG" width="640" /><br />
<br />Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-5782980715226993102015-07-15T12:09:00.001-07:002015-07-15T14:36:39.068-07:00Mukacheve: Right Sector must have been lured into a trapIn <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/07/analysing-mukacheve-footage.html" target="_blank">this blog</a> I synchronised and analysed the several footage of the Right Sector incident in front of Antares Health Club.<br />
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The quick impression that the police-footage gives, is that RS must have shot a man, they take the body and drive off when a firefight happens north of the city.<br />
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But A LOT of questions remain, such as:<br />
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<li>why did the police mute all the audio?</li>
<li>why did the police not include the earlier shots captured on security camera?</li>
<li>why did a man INSIDE Antares ask some soldiers in to get the body?</li>
<li>why did they bring the body back again?</li>
<li>why does the police video not show they brought it back again?</li>
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CLEARLY, the police video was edited to show only parts of the events and as such, to give a WRONG impression!</div>
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Furthermore, the fact that a lot of local thugs happened to be around with machine-guns cooperating with the police does not help to convince their view. As everywhere in Ukraine, old-style-Yanukovich-police is as corrupt as can be. In a border-town as Mukacheve this won't be different.</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiK_vvt89UVslFGTtR8YxHRBud8_8wHioLoRG_puNgcTu0WFGil1c4HELiIzVEduNh0P2L2kouCBwyW6VKxDqA5AY2-ijWUfD_cdh2J7ySZDIdgZKxEL9SqeGGN9uHr5LoqilxszaHxAJ4/s640/Mukacheve+9.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNfAM8tTaa9eYObhcXibDf2TNGBzCgul-W0H3f6t7-gpzOl9_CnlFtMrH1TPA1mBmq4LBOK35Q_DXamEJLON6TD6CzSQDYPZ0iwxSESqHPI9AhJyDcnEnYa6WpVCxXhgwB0uSvlKXpWgI/s640/hunter+3.JPG" /><br />
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Another very strange thing is this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg30STxrrsV5GbrHCic-MRLsPFiGLVhyphenhyphenBOThuRm3T3_eUAsP5vQ1DcUtYRv0058O4ze_q81c0iFE4wnQ0MS16i4XXIoVslvR7zAEfrukJyz4_47OuWxuApwcIlnIENXhyd__CVDdlxhZMI/s640/pillbox+3.JPG" /><br />
A fortification with sandbags has been built near the roadblock that had been setup for RS:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTxjIH7_yaWdK2n0VIk2EDEcWkzppG4TanabAjIEw753Nb3rkPiURyydg01Gx4UBB-Jj7eprc9-HV4YseRz8SRqchm2wUJqegb8mone-ssipDbZVZkEoiacu10XM6zGyCNUREsjC2SZrA/s640/pillbox+1.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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It is one thing to quickly block the road with some cars on the route that you think RS will take. But it is another thing to build something like a pillbox. That needs time and thus (a lot of) planning ahead.</div>
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So now here I will present here a scenario that DOES answer most of the questions. And that scenario is this: Right Sector was setup in advance to walk into a trap.</div>
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<b>Right Sector was setup</b></div>
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RS was invited to the Health Club to talk with local businessman and MP Mykhailo Lanyo. It means they knew long before that they were coming and of course... they would not come unarmed to a place like that.</div>
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The RS base is somewhere in the north. That means that the route to Antares Health club, must have been like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg5kxo_gT2PYHxzBEjU8KGEu6IHJycfiIdWljlwOdXbU5trKTuWgxbEowM8oHq3C0MZiBoIWM9VmxLCEGCp2IleEPJTsFAVB5ZEnuU6kcNOrmwHSRpW4-dsD-es9Bo1b25Dz9rV5JMvcuo/s640/Mukacheve+map+1.JPG" /><br />
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The roadblock with the sandbags is NOT on this route. It means this could have been build already without RS noticing it on the way to Antares.</div>
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The security footage shows that a van blocks the entrance to the Health Club right from the start:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqjswwMhIpbNWNx8ZfDSkPxjKvVoSKTHaFpVYnCBxN-nq8P6ORQuAIfA41am5YBPl29p_spQ7VU5gdl4ycUayrPbCiacaiWWWd8p8SxjEla4gFJC_e0-U5mFeIyvDB0YsQuaQnmPWYF6I/s640/blocked+car.JPG" /><br />
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It shows they knew they were coming and they were never meant to enter the gates even if they wanted to, even though there is a lot of parking place:</div>
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgo5RVO-FSXxQdEUFEff3g9g8jtclwcKXukUjLRLdkERyk59t07rk_lS2mOCsT6pXNFg7LerhLAPA_xWYX7CxuNeiusl6ra5A9muG5x2DT5_ufGuAWlXM_cJs7yWlSb0cGUdMt3riqV_io/s640/Mukacheve+map+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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<i>Strategically positioned cameras</i></div>
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Next thing is that the police is filming the RS area from two sides from a safe distance.</div>
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This screenshot tells us where the first camera position is:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_b8HtQVF0Y-XH3iMlzqKm_Gxho4_lue2d1zGpLBkdKfq7luF64wdaEln_Qwc9-HJraEozKERFjzEOwwBhKeqTJrg5KFQw08Tl_DqfgMjoShSrxd1htLr1_ApAOxMGyfQ10nDuZFKntAk/s640/camera+position+3.JPG" /><br />
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A wall can be seen which left side almost coincides with the side of the building behind it:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0UiQdVa4-c2Co_2bXf4FQxe5z_a-PV1EC-fk4BqGud_vj9dPB4hWwpMkuo0bwXm70IV790rPuvyiaBcl3Ym7PjhkVeIJAxzX2I70MA5CXf2O_5Uh2TSR1oH3dEhEkxt6s120Z4xNFiUY/s640/camera+position+4.JPG" /><br />
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<a href="https://maps.yandex.ua/20555/mukactevo/?text=mukacheve&sll=30.522301%2C50.451118&sspn=0.624847%2C0.212847&ol=geo&oll=22.718295%2C48.442063&ll=22.732259%2C48.448161&z=19&l=sat%2Cstv%2Csta&panorama%5Bpoint%5D=22.730989%2C48.447780&panorama%5Bdirection%5D=61.626875%2C2.273722&panorama%5Bspan%5D=130.000000%2C72.515625" target="_blank">Yandex streetview link</a>.</div>
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It means we can draw a line in Google Earth through these two sides and the cameraman must be on this line (the green line):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhkMfK__raHzcnR8KKkAdQ0WwAtvwZInbu0qYqBZwx-wpb6J1NUOzliGaR5CJkNQvHVvaBNYEuRz9L-qMRyoXow3J95d5zFykRSJu3BqKfrERUf3GY-yCNBYeivrKLqFhhaFedU5uPG3Zo/s640/camera+position+5.JPG" /><br />
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Since the cameraman is on the left side of the road and the cars pass him at the right side, he must be at the position of the icon, which is some 125 meters away from the RS positions.</div>
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This screenshot helps determine the position from the other cameraman:</div>
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidQif-pnta-C8qYE4rbbmK_w7GeX2c_Y3qAM2wcqjkyHWu-tZk69RKFxY_1NPKjlNv-OXuiJl_nzEYr98t19YHI_uulBxbBj8rYLeJN0XNmWISo9Ug6Nq09i2cpLfwSHkcye_Gha5w17o/s640/camera+position+6.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The black stroke on the upper side means he is not filming from the open, but likely films from inside a car. And thus likely the car that followed RS to the roadblock/ambush position too. </div>
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The white car on the right side can be easily positioned on the map. At quite some distance there is another white car at the left side and yet another in front of that one.</div>
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So the second cameraman must be approximately here:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhOQF6V98WZhMJXRzLL7ihcQgvIFbxAmkvN5AIlkFWGdUuv-Y0sBpBbHVaZdJvoemYW_5dVPkDK1UAEjeb8Q-0b1UvhnkmSG43NlhZ3LKyRWFnFo6L1-pIsDspPlERb5uvNlAm5UphAxos/s640/camera+position+7.JPG" /><br />
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What we have here is two strategically positioned and hidden cameramen that can film RS from both sides. And they film the area even BEFORE the police officially arrives (after 50 minutes).</div>
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It means this was setup and they meant to film everything.</div>
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<i>Who shot the guard and from where?</i></div>
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On the security footage it can not be seen that anybody from RS entered the gates, yet the security guard that got heavily wounded was shot BEHIND the gates!</div>
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At 36:11 the guard (black shorts, brown shirt with sleeves and wearing a cap) can be seen at the gate:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnPaclukPm3srzVJ7FWxnNoNss7PiFn251BGEubJ8ZtZInYW6OiBkgGvSbXTSdY9iBT4V7mIZS2QgGLP5k11ppPXBm0VKG6OZAhi1K7C0nBWp3wl0Sbb81iss0mxVJIs_fsi8sEw0ukDs/s640/guard+1.JPG" /><br />
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A few seconds later at 36:19 he can be seen walking to the left:</div>
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<img border="0" height="516" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIV5Gt6osrM0EIBryHPYZbQFcAFwFrxblUNEsgoojcu3Sy8nhF2RjOZdsdpVd6dLh_wlRLzp-z-mrakHVgHPgmLUG4VqStFp9ASmAd1gcvsNAw_hxBwixNXmuHtdBnv8HzeW7pZX3u2iU/s640/guard+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This is the last time we see him before he got shot.</div>
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When the soldier go get his body at 44:57, they also walk to this same side:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEha1ta2mNn_IlzhNI-nQBcP1Xg3SggOLMw1t9ssyin4vzWzeiR8dflHUEG-wroZFoPzE_n_SRx6cFK_RG0bZadtQBRA5UbekHyFz8iQaJu7fh_iBO2CP1t42s3sGISvTT0a6ONNtVEOjHY/s640/guard+3.JPG" /><br />
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It means the guard must have been shot somewhere in this purple area:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEixTiGMkGSL2vU7MMfTQRcOkKcG7uNfLzteWubcxonyfJVSRut7kZLsUiFxizLHa7n2lmL3zK3ElS9wG4ZLeDnLkLwWTsS29-1XglBOmliEExjemVKLJ4IQ2gWXlwDF5zgfjx5mQ-Lr5gY/s640/guard+map.JPG" /><br />
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At 39:46 people can be seen at the gate, looking to the left, getting scared and then walking away:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghsYkiDv8SQ8aV9cyuVDO_zT43vncP46OF1udYhT7Rx9dfLYrb4VU_ceInAZ6bPOZyis61utCictFEQkG408J07KashXaP3aCbJ6qg1l9thLs2MMe10bWmT8QssYbvy8Rh43B2vMNrDcg/s640/Mukacheve+20.JPG" /><br />
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It means a shot must have been fired at that time and something was going on on the left side. Unfortunately we don't have footage from that moment. But for sure we can tell the shot did not come from RS soldiers from the right side, because we can see them on the security video and nothing happens st that time on that side.</div>
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So the shot likely came somewhere from the left side. But how could the guard have been shot behind the wall by RS?</div>
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This Yandex streetview shows that there is a small fence in the wall on the left side:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc1UWAVFFhlT22FPwlALN2LJWBxLcz3CudX4decPxTySTBTDtBESkzQ_xGtdES2vSbTDzOX4bxTtlqZBIo389tO8kuPZqV-HyVv_Uz-P_X_Sr5k8ZLONMjN5i4QGcpTTFgeYHvNExIqsM/s640/guard+4.JPG" /><br />
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This screenshot shows that a RS soldier is peeking through this fence with his gun ready:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIYjZdF7OTNole2omXIMohBRzD6IyS-vvIfbFtdoxQnlxKt5wTD7bYFOIw19tE4OTo_DDzgTUd6YUwx7mtY8wibEPXaBameT1Lw4fmnTeODdbfwNgr1l0NPelV2ErDp0ax6aLBLtYIOWc/s640/guard+5.JPG" /><br />
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<img border="0" height="346" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiAGHKNhGyajptsim_yAyWtmQffam6Gs6aMLgERi_GVgzp5dMPQA9yWDhSaqnxFFDPFaDVSe21KytowD1_Bc0sq1pIbrVnSgcE6nwmWxIKZJi4tkftXPeiqGEask1_vO4ztHyw6neMKeiA/s640/guard+6.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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But this is at the moment his mates pick up the body from there.</div>
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And the people who are looking at the left when the shot was fired could not see him, so they did not look at this position.</div>
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Something was going on here in the blue area (visible to the people at the gate):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgl-EuWyD03-UMFEgSYp4DZze9ZXltwVBmEhUDdGuiv48GnOgfhMrlaiwXFbGTzTSfr5rx0aoiP1ZxA6OkpB2ZqooAjHpncek-36mQKx-U22K2u3pr58P3AlrhNWyGGcVBEpqyW3NwjXgU/s640/guard+7.JPG" /><br />
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So, IF some RS soldier shot the guard, it must have happened something like this:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifMFzt_xRbDx-MRrlMvNiKP8uH2k3a5CCYrmr_Q-yka4Dj7Q1T5YcKXpaWozFZyuCuIyDOY6Ah-M4Vjj52zmZ-orMeEg2HMKnLq1O6anB9qAX5HjKWdSvOJX-RAdrBvwqD2Z_LsVSjsgQ/s640/guard+8.JPG" /><br />
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It means he was in full sight, everybody was looking at him and he decided to shoot/kill the guard through the fence.</div>
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Another option is that the thing that was going on in the blue area was just meant as a distraction for all. And meanwhile, while most people were looking somewhere else, the guard was killed from WITHIN the Antares perimeter.</div>
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A third (theoretical) option might be that a sniper killed the guard in an attempt to frame RS. If so, it should have fired in the same direction as a RS soldier might be pointing at some moment and through the fence, like this:</div>
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<img border="0" height="380" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgK0R9bBMlJHzNDxmpb7qVMtBFPnP7ecQT3VZoSO9An3sPPDISF4d0NQQ0hlJdBOFtBGaTEjelcy8yBOZ-i9JfzTfnHmOeiXIbqQDkYq6JRNmZABYIufeguQyDFDlnW6HOtF2agPMkLjjk/s640/guard+11.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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In that case everybody would be looking at the soldier and the would THINK he shot the shot.</div>
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On the map possible sniper positions could be here (between the green lines):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQjuM0G-JnljgGxNJV7GZRUYwS8_ZFw0jvVYN_it8uFfd816tQZk2qG-MFHb5Eti9_LmZfRLhDKB-QPbNYs09v6w9hGqMSS-ENsGOl8TP7CxcdpeVmRlSTs07mxbzqXsjRU0EhJn9xNvw/s640/guard+10.JPG" /><br />
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1. In between the trees. Perfect spot. Nobody can see you. But difficult to tell if you can really shoot through the fence from there.</div>
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<img border="0" height="340" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-_2IZNH9n4FjgBGNSEAXV6U0yU1gIJulCOkcD0NfSSMKV6STqXYOBLA_w5zDwkZqTPI2dqJEFJHwR4mlG8RUUEhbpkEHbSM6OGTgc3SR8xwOdDnvs9B4_ZagqhUwUZSQwU4kj2YjOuhE/s640/guard+12.JPG" width="640" /></div>
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2. From behind the building. Exposed position. Anybody, including the RS soldiers could see him. On the other hand it is a quite safe position because one can immediately retreat behind the building again and we know that other armed men arrived moments later.</div>
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3. From the tower:</div>
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For sure from the top of this tower one could look (and shoot) into the perimeter of Antares. The question is how close to the road/wall. Almost certain the RS soldiers could not see this (because in Streetview we can not see the tower from there)</div>
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On the other hand a sniper would be tremendously exposed and could be easily spotted from other locations in the neighbourhood.</div>
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4. From behind the wall. It's pretty safe, there is a small risk of getting spotted by RS and it would be easy to hide or retreat. But it is not certain if a shot could be taken through the fence from here. Maybe the building blocks the view, maybe there is a small view.</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJAr65LqkqV8T9q135pmtK_sGxetX_DCbFZjl0jGPYe-jvbXt30XCMAH48vB6kQct-Wj0SkqpJp3te4QqI1WBJS-Ja9N7oQoMz7sa9WfLWPLr2fMNUqWclB_1NbXwNfiWNld7oOYLG230/s640/guard+13.JPG" /><br />
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It seems to me that the first position in between the trees (IF it would be possible to shoot through the fence from there) would be perfect. Safe distance, can't be spotted, easy to hide and retreat.</div>
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<i>Why did RS take the body?</i></div>
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It is VERY CLEAR that the man in the white cloths INVITED RS into the Antares perimeter for help (at 44:53):</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKJvRcL8BLwpSxwc1HuQo0fu2pAkHnpzh27bajOqWtf8gNVUFPexFn3c07PkfcdI1oayzh83P-TlyfLyoFZASsYp1_ciqJpaQk0Bq822fJAjcqCkuywDEIvqTTpnMDEkU8-hLxvhxGbPg/s640/Mukacheve+25.JPG" /><br />
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Moments later they drag the body into the car, so this man must have asked them to take the body!!!</div>
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I repeat: the man in white cloths must have ASKED RS to take the body. The BIG question is: why did they give in to this request? Did the man ask/press them to take him to the hospital? But why not let one of their own drive him to the hospital?</div>
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Moments later they bring him back again when an ambulances arrive.</div>
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The big problem is, that the hidden cameramen filmed all and it looks really bad on video. But the police video has been edited to emphasize this aspect by freezing the frames and going to black and back again several times.</div>
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<i>The car blocking the way back</i></div>
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At 49:36 a car is driven across the road into the camera view to block the route back:</div>
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWrkiMPCLbJ_zR4gZcnFoGM3eLHYMNxMIusHaQPEIp8R0hZISjtCubTUaQMGvQNbMeXlahuvAABr4puXCL2MpV1ekYTrnC_1I3GlpJwms722s7TV3ij3QqXde7CAZPKgjes1j-IU_Qu_M/s640/Mukacheve+39.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Simultaneously the ambulance that arrived at the other side (and potentially blocking the way there) turns and drives away again (without taking any wounded).</div>
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There can only be one explanation for this. They WANTED RS to drive forward and not turn around and go back.</div>
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Because they WANTED RS to take the northern road and thus passing the roadblock, because they wanted to ambush/corner them there</div>
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This is the shortest route back into the mountains according to Google Maps:</div>
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<img border="0" height="462" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjUqQndONzYYw1lyNODQe17dCj476SpeEv5ggRJMEZzuce1u81Ccv4cdtAeqHZwtNLdiwi_YNtdanppREisWbsidbCHwPY4lneADIDFhrBVgsW6pWlCmTxZIEbVlDqDompiLpO7XUbkaRc/s640/route+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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But if they would drive like this, they would not pass the roadblock. And as this screenshot shows, there is no roadblock at the crossing itself:</div>
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicogGVOJHwcR70Vr7DZAJ7nNQ1icqC8Z6YOg5-CaAHqU_YkEzz33_xltPlWk-BnIDvGh1DMhFhGoWEBiabrOv0_zEZzeV99qdvIrJsVqPMCBibP4e9DUDdVZzxlQbGO9kFXpcnMJNzMAU/s640/roadblock.JPG" /><br />
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In order to cross the roadblock they had to drive like this:</div>
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A ten minutes drive towards that roadblock is enough to put some cars across the road. But it is NOT enough to build fortifications with sandbags as were present there.</div>
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This means RS must have been FORCED to take this route and it was planned long before that there would be a confrontation there. </div>
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
There are a lot of weird things going on. Most of them can be very well explained if we consider a scenario where RS had been setup, framed and cornered/attacked at the roadblock.<br />
Would 'they' kill a guard (of their own) for this?<br />
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Sure 'they' would.<br />
Remember the scenario at Slavyansk where an blockpost was attacked in the middle of the night and a clean 'Yarosh-card' was found and a completely burned car. Some locals died there, but it was a setup aimed to get the Slavyansk locals at their side and ready to defend their city with force. It is what Girkin/Strelkov called 'I started the war in Donbas' and he used these dirty trick for it. Nevertheless, even though a lot of locals bought this, the world did not. In order to convince the world 'they' can not do the same trick again. It has to be something more sophisticated and not so easy to trace down. That's why this time 'they' used REAL RS soldiers instead of imaginary ones.<br />
'They' filmed all, but only published the parts that compromise RS and put them in a bad light.<br />
At Maidan snipers killed a hundred civilians.<br />
In Odessa Russian provocateurs protected by corrupted police setup hooligans to attack the administration building, killing a lot of pro-russians.<br />
One guard in Mukacheve (innocent or not) means nothing for these people.<br />
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Sure... RS has been stupid enough to take the bait.<br />
Sure... it is not good to have some sort of autonomous paramilitary groups roaming the country and shooting around with guns. They have fallen in the trap that was setup for them.<br />
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And who are 'they'?<br />
Well.. who benefits here?<br />
RS is the core of the Ukrainian volunteers who defend the country at the frontlines. The most patriotic groups. Without them Putin would have its corridor to Crimea already. To discredit RS is EXACTLY what Putin would like to see.<br />
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Furthermore: internal conflict between the government and RS benefits Putin.<br />
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And: conflict at the doorstep of Europe (instead of far away Donbas) benefits Putin. It means some European politicians will hesitate to either support Ukraine or to allow them into the EU. So it benefits Putin.<br />
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Of course local gangsters and corrupt police might benefit too and therefor eagerly cooperate.<br />
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One more thing: the Russian Troll Factory has been extremely busy with this issue. They put a lot of oil on the fire. We heard stories that a well known DNR fighter was killed there. That RS used a Polish car (the one with the machinegun on it) that was a gift from Poland to the volunteers at the front, even the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs published a video that RS had kidnapped a young boy...<br />
Just the fact that the Russian Troll Factory released so many fake story, shows who is behind it.<br />
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<i>Alternative scenario</i></div>
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A local RS group has gone mad, shoot a local mafia guard, drag his body on the street, on second thought throw it back in the garden and when they try to get away they shoot at everything that moves.<br />
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Your choice what you think is the truth.</div>
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-65456803720110923042015-07-13T04:25:00.001-07:002015-07-13T13:13:19.152-07:00Analysing the Mukacheve footageA good general timeline of events can be found here:<br />
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We have a timeline of the Mukacheve crisis to help you understand what happened <a href="http://t.co/fZvi1GNyWU">http://t.co/fZvi1GNyWU</a> <a href="http://t.co/c5H8aOFwbz">pic.twitter.com/c5H8aOFwbz</a></div>
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) <a href="https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/620337361746944000">July 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This blog analyses some aspects in more detail.<br />
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Security cameras had recorded the arrival of Right Sector at Antares Health club, Mukacheve.<br />
Also the police released <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hexRskhproc" target="_blank">footage from that scene</a>.<br />
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All these shots have been put together in synchronised order:<br />
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At 1:10 in the CCTV footage the cars start arriving.<br />
At 2:35 the men leave the cars.<br />
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For a long time nothing seems to happen. Soldiers walk up and down the road, but they can never be seen entering the gate.<br />
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At 39:47 six men at the gate look to the left and got scared (must be first moment shots were fired):<br />
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At 44:24 a soldier walks towards the gate and talks with a man who points his arm to the left.<br />
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<img border="0" height="519" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjU-4-0NsNo6cMEhch-a6HbMy-p-nzE4kuJVZ_a-vQPNDDqubnl3wJTxmtG8jSYmMhWwMj3uiO98u3aFRkmnWPHcn2T1Gu789_Ag16HTxDHPPXHf4XfKwvjQ1TOZPazQJonuDqRVWZNy44/s640/Mukacheve+24.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 44:53 a second soldier walks fast towards the gates and the two soldiers enter the gate, with the other man directing them.<br />
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<img border="0" height="518" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9jebjmpf06cQKjYXAZ5CfAMCrEHN4kdNGzU6pJJW8orl7Coc4P3XPdvff1ySKvjCJOi7RU8NyE9cUQipbnscCQP0ebqaZfA5v0lCuSveJNYdlcyJBkxuCxaw8fPWSNWLXJOSkrwV5OSw/s640/Mukacheve+25.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At this point the police footage starts.<br />
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At 45:43 the two soldiers can be seen dragging a body outside the gate.<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNHa-6ucuxMboVqtEQ41fZSkI1O0xtmc6VRoW00oOPWtsah_K3agDg7PNvI23L4_LemYRDIM5mlvE05JgV-HSwhmokGIB3M19qdXy4Gdt_H67E4Ipxse6-b0-Ug52jLYA8VqcHjQHy7vc/s640/Mukacheve+26.JPG" width="640" /><br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHpD4K6qdBvMhOfwj4BmabyeBpXp_9XYFEYoISzqJyZiT2FaY3BFSTdk0uUxN_o9shWkIEWpVphM6zOQQq_oR6I4TX2HqQLWtu56XGyNyfgrs0v1t_0q7q4sN1g87dwVWpvxJHDl8_ryc/s640/Mukacheve+27.JPG" />At 46:33 they put it in the car.<br />
At 48:31 they indicate that they want to leave or something. A smoke grenade can already be seen laying on the ground:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVftuupWjWPJVcteb9dGQQyNtzUg-Kb1a1ygPudkh_4_vrw-7jIMn0Ia_-urHYVi7HqQBUG1bBx7waXTz628XMi3SzP9jukETt7tJQSmsteNDHzGCPUaPDEYfgCcnf09kgg7f6lutcV7k/s640/Mukacheve+30.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 48:46 they get the body out of the car again!<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsN9OtmPgkHU-oSFhGU05PHl9xAXScDXBmU1Ey4Ov4PH-GsfRfqxCyrrAuiNJjdiin2Z4mwodSduBP2Vp_jDA19Y4rJp97L3hJcMEXNxACVMFvjIfaNbgxos6CbvjywvW3oXn0ZcR5T-E/s640/Mukacheve+31.JPG" width="640" /><br />
<img border="0" height="524" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgvGq2b8gpJ9VJhwMCrijlxDry2VvPPBQSTWX_E0YyX6cxpeyLGun00BcA5nrTx_EaiRTHb2WDJBEh9pYMQSherJlqXsQZEHDb_-EpjutfJbnGn3X98wHCYA6uD3kTUiDliwQESgpNaVg/s640/Mukacheve+32.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 48:50 a white car (what seems to be an ambulance drives through the camera view):<br />
<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTIzhcY_nB3KF6wdk9FILllDFYDXUssYSmwuWsZeIwIxGurE2m4i-bsE8exMqCw0JMfn2XQnHWEA-9YwyPcTxs0VqLxOijZ-dyQy7TOugBZKXFK-aAXojVapeR4sMbqiHGjMbvVEB_bwU/s640/Mukacheve+35.JPG" /><br />
Note the Ukrainian flag in the middle.<br />
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At 48:58 the soldiers can be seen dragging the body into the gate again.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnp-TGnrgdT32fijTVIznPadJKiK1-DiSIPi8-N8ZM1vtpME-zJtpaEbbXT7S1Z7qlBAu7YdliMtdnx3Q-CE2Hqt1887Yz_2hIiFrHwu9FPCU5kUQqqBqa_MRz-Pg5rHQrd-2HdMOCUWE/s640/Mukacheve+33.JPG" /><br />
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At 49:09 they walk back.<br />
At 49:19 'local thugs' arrive with machine guns and body armor:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGzVg5DB1IZEel7lHKW1yppgMj-HwOTkRN8lvjP4V1ONWoSKPYyEbsm-b6lPu_UTNqhKzhkzS5d9OAg8t8Cfc47uGFzKbhwCyVNosLXs6uLuL_FcP3gXy2ZKYuQntpILorhsw0kCWjpFw/s640/Mukacheve+38.JPG" /><br />
At 49:30 an ambulance can be seen driving away on the OTHER side:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizLCpKMpWC5yEDGPHW5taU4FOQIBv5SK0bmK_vEcX1pTzeci7CqGTVRFTps6dET1i7GMKSUqOszD4SvZAgz348zb9WTd-7YIq6t3FZHohxvE0r0E9ueJFUFHx2RROnyM6cBiydL7rsZQc/s640/Mukacheve+37.JPG" width="640" /><br />
Note the Ukrainian flag in the middle. Yet, the security footage never shows an ambulance driving through the view.<br />
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At 49:37 they park a car so it blocks the road.<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLzn-JA88-Jgqj8aLwB5kVp7353AcFi_iIryAV0xy55Vai6j-yCd1fei0Z22vvYf7b36H8AauqkvvClzcDd4MzelEhBMMJ0T4QTSkdQRXTTPeildA60rMj9MbYtht4lAm3rA0NSgbqKDs/s640/Mukacheve+39.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 49:41 warning shots are fired into the air by a soldier (this is the ONLY place where audio is available!):<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-PWzPJMcde3u3GDuF_BXmKgcltRzzXAhMA-Pttt4pE7TkSpeSHOxcx7gmYzmwD2ofv5ylYU35tNgSKNxRjTV8MnCvnerIad7GI2WYkmNTpD3FOGuP99NbcICfLWKfn4eStgJxBaGRGWg/s640/Mukacheve+41.JPG" /><br />
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At 50:20 a soldier starts to light the smoke grenade:<br />
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<img border="0" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7ZNqLaWavuhfmn6QQydozdMfZXzNJp6_XZB8KFIlu_E1dJ8W4-sNfHuXLbjRXnACPk5bK_9cJCywzilYsJHjIPAlOm_kxbbosj8HZBpGTvzui3G4M9RrYO6paQIzT79yAREwiAomTTmY/s640/Mukacheve+42.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 50:35 he runs away from it.<br />
At 50:49 the smoke appears:<br />
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<img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg03ih5ZtDkmCEgCBv56xqjyZPRjuUZqTDSl5mQz9_G-AZ5G6bxpi7xTmtbq4K6xSqaBYFG604Ojp81HaBprpoIidTVA4CRWSFKdgFQ6VK6UxRfIS8dHlsFT8DKAb6t6-R-TI459hdUCLM/s640/Mukacheve+43.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At 51:11 the last car can be seen driving away:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgBVnmQSe7MGaZBgkJc-aR7oy1R36V2ZAYTE260C0JR1QXlNCyUTdwAVMUbP416V2TOXioNcvaHByQSz6cbG5hnkKKKv15sMjLub0pAEP_f1hUYYi1nZfhHhHIhhsDe-pXI0-86rLky9RU/s640/Mukacheve+44.JPG" /><br />
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There is never panic, neither is there any real shootout here, but there are many questions<br />
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<li>What was going on anyway? The soldiers did not seem to enter the Health Club. Where they just waiting for someone to come out?</li>
<li>Why did the police not show the footage from the first shots?</li>
<li>How did the bodyguard get hurt and who did that? He got hurt INSIDE the gates and no soldiers were seen entering the gates.</li>
<li>Why did the police mute all the audio, except for that little moment where Right Sector fires warning shots when a car blocks the road?</li>
<li>Why did RS take a body of the other side? Why not let them take there own dead/wounded?</li>
<li>Why did they bring the body back again?</li>
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Clearly a man INSIDE the gates asks the soldiers to take the body. HE directs them. So they take the body. But they are quite rude with it.<br />
Maybe next thing is they saw an ambulance arriving and decided to bring him back again.<br />
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<br />Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-39987937836114200922015-07-04T12:59:00.002-07:002015-07-04T15:11:38.132-07:00Sick person, Russian soldier in Ukraine Sergei Zhuk with callname 'Moskva' mocking international justice<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIjX6X7-tO1P0_jgjChxTm3bBxSDnwGyywTVCqYVpN9gjhoIsjGEYg1LdYdjL-uQVL4dXwsc8B_JwBWJ3YO3WId7VRjgYpYk8CC9ZVf1HXCpbvjXS079YKqSSr4J6UTtyMnbQCf6TX2E8/s640/Sergei+Zhuk.JPG" /><br />
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In this video Sergei Zhuk demonstrates how Girkin (Strelkov) and Pavlov (Motorola) are NOT on Interpol's wanted list, but Yarosh is:<br />
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This is some serious international Russian trolling. How did they managed to get Yarosh on the Interpol list? The biggest crime he has done is that the Russians used his business card when they killed some local Slavyansk people in a set-up ambush to convince the civilians that the Nazis where coming:<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiaIsXr6FkJA9Fvt4H6Z1RJ1JkFw53QoFpc9hmEELj1vpU_23Y3WOeOHwPxER_jgugPdFV_bNTkN3OcFEc-_ohfBOUU50bBCsnZakWApv52Q7lUgjJksq_RdFvUUPH47gvm0uMdyYnKz_A/s640/Yaroshcard.JPG" /><br />
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That was as fake as can be (if you did not get that point right away).<br />
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But Sergei Zhuk himself is a torturer of Ukrainian POWs:<br />
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a>|n Cmdr. & torturer Sergei Zhuk [callsign "Moskva"] w/ DNR's Lt Col. Basurin near Donetsk on May 3rd:
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> <a href="http://t.co/MYjv8Chh51">pic.twitter.com/MYjv8Chh51</a></div>
— Silver Surfer (@RobPulseNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobPulseNews/status/606981039249104896">June 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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In this video Sergei Zhuk forced a POW to shoot his comrade (if only there was a bullet in the pistol):<br />
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In this video he is interrogating 'cyborg' POWs from Donetsk Airport, trying to convince them that they better shoot themselves:<br />
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In this video he is blaming Ukrainian POWs for shelling of civilians, showing them their mutilated bodies (WARNING VERY GRAPHIC CONTENT):<br />
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Yet it was very clear that this shelling was done by the Russians themselves, since it was more then 10 kms from the front line. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/02/januari-30th-shelling-in-donetsk-likely.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.<br />
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Sergei, knowing this, uses it for heavy psychological pressure.<br />
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In this similar video it can be seen that many of these POWs face have been beaten:<br />
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Screenshots from this video:<br />
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And yet another interogation video by Sergei:<br />
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These videos had been posted on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/WorldAntiMaidan" target="_blank">his own Youtube-channel</a> and VK-profile:<br />
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But he later removed them. He said that he had more videos, but had only posted the ones that were 'approved'. Can you imagine what's on the others?<br />
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Some information on him can also be found on <a href="https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/zhuk-sergej-aleksandrovich/" target="_blank">this website</a>.<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
This Russian soldier(!) fighting in Ukraine is one sick person, trying to break the spirits of POWs and torturing them physically, spiritually and emotionally. He himself should be put on the Interpol wanted-list...<br />
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Thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/cttmario" target="_blank">@cttmario</a> for finding a lot of information.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-34837166419711604832015-07-02T13:50:00.004-07:002015-07-02T15:06:35.754-07:00Russia's expanding military base at BelgorodBelgorod is the last stop in Russia to Kharkiv.<br />
Recent new satellite images in Google Earth shows how this military base is changing and expanding, just like the ones near Donbas had been doing:<br />
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This is the situation on April 17th in 2013:<br />
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Almost a year later, now March 7th 2014 and it is still the same:<br />
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But, one and a half month later we see a HUGE build-up exactly in the period that the conflict in Donbas started:<br />
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At the same time a little bit more North were there is an airstrip, we also see a lot of units appear. This is the situation at March 7th:<br />
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And one and a half month later:<br />
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On June 7th 2015, that is one month ago(!) we see even more expansions, but also earlier places that had been abandoned:<br />
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Probably this has to do with rotation of forces. Nevertheless the size of the camp has become a lot larger in one years time.<br />
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Just to give you an idea of the ENORMOUS size of this camp: in the southwest yellow area alone, some 284 vehicles of various type can be counted:<br />
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
Yet another sign that this is Russia's war against Ukraine. And also a sign that this is not over yet: this Belgorod camp has the largest size ever in June 2015.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-56939363366206496152015-06-30T14:41:00.002-07:002015-07-02T14:20:04.397-07:00Russian 'shooting range' in Ukraine near Sontseve<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
The Ukrainian Dnipro-1 drone team managed to make an excellent video of a newly created shooting range aqa defensive positions near Sontseve between Komsomolske and Telmanove and close to the contact line:</div>
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Screen shots from the video:<br />
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Arial view of the impact zone for artillery and tank shells:<br />
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Location of the camp:<br />
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It was built in two weeks:<br />
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Petrol trucks in protected positions:<br />
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Tents for staff:<br />
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For cooking:<br />
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Chill-out area:<br />
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A cannon:<br />
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Some more tanks and stuff:<br />
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A lot of trenches:</div>
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Before and after:</div>
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Conclusion:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBSYf0523XJCG2QjQIboFjKZuqWO1Rp4W4QeGO8muH-Q-8OWblm6F9KB2SlTvksBHlHzxZbSZZDDJSkR87MBkOoZEaR5JbiSek7Am4HO7Ft9Js4BnwZXcvbqb9HKrMzQSS1gBuygvZWEM/s1600/Dnipr-1+6.JPG"><img border="0" height="358" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBSYf0523XJCG2QjQIboFjKZuqWO1Rp4W4QeGO8muH-Q-8OWblm6F9KB2SlTvksBHlHzxZbSZZDDJSkR87MBkOoZEaR5JbiSek7Am4HO7Ft9Js4BnwZXcvbqb9HKrMzQSS1gBuygvZWEM/s640/Dnipr-1+6.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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This is the layout of the area:<br />
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<img border="0" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-dOk6pzw9gdtduij5G0pJKFXJ7Ql4RH1Y05kAS49qIl9vJCxvMemWM0_Y24PUHBwY3rVu3co0aisK2PqIEjokuwsNvOlJ_HQ805NpSzrLxSGfpP1DHA6wOqbzDhbjWrPiQE-abmffIaU/s640/map.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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Red = area with tents and vehicles.<br />
Orange = shooting range and trenches.<br />
Violet = impact zone<br />
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The area is positioned here between Komsomolske and Telmanove:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcNPFSxNDOKD1GJDipPpnWmqXm7-ToTLNuUQgG8JNmBuD7bBaGnXVGYzOzPxfngVLgyDbMwxHu4IKZqVQ1Zp6eyMF1V8GTKwTTg8tDlkMznegZF2r3NVJZ8F5nu_EKpJmka_25U8D7LZA/s1600/Dnipr-1+5.JPG"><img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcNPFSxNDOKD1GJDipPpnWmqXm7-ToTLNuUQgG8JNmBuD7bBaGnXVGYzOzPxfngVLgyDbMwxHu4IKZqVQ1Zp6eyMF1V8GTKwTTg8tDlkMznegZF2r3NVJZ8F5nu_EKpJmka_25U8D7LZA/s640/Dnipr-1+5.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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In Komsomolske there is <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/05/russian-military-base-and-trainingscamp.html" target="_blank">a much larger real base and also a shooting range in a quarry</a>.<br />
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<a href="https://t.co/ZQ8zrSBhN7" target="_blank">This VK-album</a> shows 156 photos that were taken here. Some of them:<br />
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What's worrying is this:<br />
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5/ Russian Forces FOB Sontseve: Tanks & trucks have IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) markings for Russian aircraft. <a href="http://t.co/cUrur8hKXw">pic.twitter.com/cUrur8hKXw</a></div>
— GorseFires Collectif (@GorseFires) <a href="https://twitter.com/GorseFires/status/616009235718111232">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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It means (Russian) aircrafts are planned to get involved?<br />
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@finrisowlf provides some extra recent satellite images of the area, that can not be found in Google Earth/Maps:<br />
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<img border="0" height="338" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhezypOkwk7LFW_XG6Sy1Tu3dLA26bbzKC0jH3EF-mwt2ltjxeeqGuQHXJkUZLep9m9AwUmu0bkHKK9MpmnFIUfyeldhzMgKDVQF5jp6C-tDH2v_f_PX5ZvA1GdH9B0d-rsJAZjTIki4i8/s400/map+2.JPG" width="400" /><br />
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Batch 1.1 extra : <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> base in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> imagery from several weeks ago. Closer view of vehicle assembly <a href="http://t.co/dicuTO0fJc">pic.twitter.com/dicuTO0fJc</a></div>
— Not a spy (@finriswolf) <a href="https://twitter.com/finriswolf/status/615979073278451712">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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The white 'ID' spots on tanks @ 5:28 are easily spotted in sat imagery <a href="https://t.co/073VDvBUFz">https://t.co/073VDvBUFz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> <a href="http://t.co/gyDHRf2sgA">pic.twitter.com/gyDHRf2sgA</a></div>
— Not a spy (@finriswolf) <a href="https://twitter.com/finriswolf/status/615993571703947264">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> bases in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> : @ 6:37 on drone vid <a href="https://t.co/BfU0WAcka7">https://t.co/BfU0WAcka7</a> <a href="http://t.co/nSl72tA8JT">pic.twitter.com/nSl72tA8JT</a></div>
— Not a spy (@finriswolf) <a href="https://twitter.com/finriswolf/status/616006069995851777">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> bases : Area seen @ 6:35 in drone video <a href="https://t.co/MtRZPq3M9y">https://t.co/MtRZPq3M9y</a> <a href="http://t.co/tBWQjP9DEV">http://t.co/tBWQjP9DEV</a> <a href="http://t.co/a3N2IOOgY8">pic.twitter.com/a3N2IOOgY8</a></div>
— Not a spy (@finriswolf) <a href="https://twitter.com/finriswolf/status/615998130962714624">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash">#Ukraine</a> : Some <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash">#Russia</a> base entrenchments shown @ 6:16 in video <a href="https://t.co/aPLsUPcgUq">https://t.co/aPLsUPcgUq</a> <a href="http://t.co/Da5mP8l3QP">pic.twitter.com/Da5mP8l3QP</a></div>
— Not a spy (@finriswolf) <a href="https://twitter.com/finriswolf/status/615995891523166209">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<b>Conclusion</b><br />
This is a (Russian built) shooting range with support. It is not an army base. The armor seen there is what is present for training.<br />
But of course, the trenches and the armor can be used for defenses or to launch an offensive across the contact line 10kms further.<br />
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Also see: <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/06/russian-2s1-gvozdika-battery-operating.html" target="_blank">Another nearby hide-out for heavy artillery shooting on Shyrokyne</a>.<br />
Also see: <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015/05/russian-military-base-and-trainingscamp.html" target="_blank">Russian military base and training camp at Komsomolske</a>.<br />
Also see: <a href="http://www.interpretermag.com/meet-the-russian-fighters-building-a-base-between-mariupol-and-donetsk/" target="_blank">Russian base/shooting range at Rozdolne by InterpreterMag</a>.<br />
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It is nice to see that some Main Stream Media are taking up the news:<br />
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An apparent Russian base has been found in Ukraine <a href="http://t.co/sNf2HItz3A">http://t.co/sNf2HItz3A</a> <a href="http://t.co/MenC20KFF6">pic.twitter.com/MenC20KFF6</a></div>
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) <a href="https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/615955958636900353">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Also take note of this photo taken at the same location:<br />
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<a href="https://pp.vk.me/c625630/v625630589/35a20/cAz0DEBs-9E.jpg" target="_blank">Direct link to photo</a>.</div>
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Some of these guys are wearing neo-nazi insignia on their cloths.</div>
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You can read about that here: <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/06/nazis-are-core-of-russias-hybrid-army.html" target="_blank">Nazi's are the core of Russia's Hybrid Army in Ukraine</a>.<br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-62665192452079881742015-06-19T05:30:00.001-07:002015-08-07T12:56:25.771-07:00Why does the Donetsk Chemical Factory constantly have mega explosions?So far there have been 5 to 6 recorded massive explosions at the Donetsk Chemical Factory so far. (see <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20140903200418/http://www.dkzhi.com/" target="_blank">their archived website here</a>.) And there are claims of even more.<br />
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(Thanks to <a href="http://twitter.com/sterion" target="_blank">@Sterion</a> who contributed several items to this blog)<br />
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<b>#1 Ammo depot blown up between 30-7 and 3-9-2014</b><br />
Google Earth shows an ammunition depot being blown up since Sept 3rd 2014:<br />
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<b>#2 8-10-2014 Reports about Tochka-U use on Military base </b><br />
On October 10th reports came in of Tochka-U use on military unit 3023. <a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/10/ukraine-destroys-terrorussian-base-with.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>. Yet Google Earth shows this base was already blown up between 24 and 27-7-2014:<br />
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<img border="0" height="438" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwmujGJvOQxt_ARnOhYH3m_Ma2LdZBd-6rvYwEKiL1Iwb1N4ziC5QiAvvQ3tSc2EUr6QTIZlGBcW_g0aVSC7-ZOXvBxXhp8oG8AMFayH2ZhbeqmdCA_iIqbmUcg7AhOq6fuzbVARh8nvs/s640/Tochka+2.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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At that time not much was reported about it. It's hard do determine a crater on the July image, but the devastation is already there. There is no good satellite image of the area from after 8-10. So at the moment it is hard to tell whether this crater originated in July or in October.<br />
Nevertheless, the crater is there for sure:<br />
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<img border="0" height="356" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjRf3EYiGytzVSlgg7hmmxTlSpfCRRhEzlqhehefCBdSnUbVNvx1Xe9gkzB7JlaJBQRiyEMh0ijiKuYbFY0_yu3WXOq7IDfV1H1dB1D4aXFtYCJsehZLX1qNZofWQ6NWVpmsLRvDloXZQw/s640/Unit+3023+5.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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<b>#3 18-10-2014 Wagon blown up (with Graham Phillips reporting)</b><br />
<a href="http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2014/10/donetsk-hit-by-tochka-u.html" target="_blank">See this blog</a>.<br />
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Exact location of this crater:</div>
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One might suspect that a wagon full of ammunition was blown up here. But these wagons are unused and already on this position since 12-3-14:<br />
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<img border="0" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA4yD6T2NtwqVfl14lEmwHapcSPBykg4vzrh9A-qKWT6eIOY9rb_E-gicHqSFh-5JEF0e-Y4hfWjdbpVyM-SYvZsGFuv88DmS9jHIS1b9cA6bHO9HlZXPYV_7eo8CRa0u5P0G2D99NRmA/s640/Tochka+8.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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This means either the Terrorussians stuffed the wagon with a bomb or ammunition and blew it up deliberately for some reason. OR the Ukrainians INDEED fired a Tochka-U at this position. But it's in the middle of nowhere, so it must have missed it's target then.<br />
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<b>#4 20-10-2014 Yet another depot being blown up</b><br />
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Video of the explosion:<br />
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Aftermath:<br />
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This crater differs from all the previous ones and therefore must be on ANOTHER location. It COULD be possible that this ammunition depot blew up simultaneously with another explosion and therefore actually happened on another previous date.<br />
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<b>#5 25-12-14 Fireworks storage on fire</b><br />
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A warehouse with fireworks has been caught fire in Donetsk area... <a href="https://t.co/owSlj45lUZ">https://t.co/owSlj45lUZ</a> <a href="http://t.co/R3TVY2eYc8">pic.twitter.com/R3TVY2eYc8</a></div>
— Ukraine@war (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/548102980260855808">December 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<b>#6 8-2-15 Mainly reported by Russian side</b><br />
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One of the videos showing the explosion at night:<br />
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Aftermath and crater:<br />
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Again this seems to be different from the others.<br />
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<b>#7 17-6-15 Building blown up</b><br />
Recently another big explosion/plume was recorded.<br />
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VIDEO 2 of now exact geolocated crater Donetsk: building exploded!
<a href="https://t.co/S8vfDcwXHf">https://t.co/S8vfDcwXHf</a>
<a href="https://t.co/rDHQ8osFFA">https://t.co/rDHQ8osFFA</a> <a href="http://t.co/faWYxSmrsl">pic.twitter.com/faWYxSmrsl</a></div>
— Ukraine@war (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/611308727501721601">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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It was not far from the #5 crater.<br />
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<img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8hJwFhok42BgppyMwUi0UpgvdBb77VhlOKrk42FhU_dSbq338FFwwI8Z_66Y7_akciUxFhcozAsCJ9hT_Ij1nLZoJ-WWiYAx8L8BHdXltzf4V_RvxN8Ac6xymnbx1YgHCWJUnz6MbBbE/s640/Tochka+9.JPG" /><br />
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<b>Were there even more?</b><br />
The latest Google Earth image from this area is from Sept 3rd. Most explosions happened after this date.<br />
At <a href="https://browse.digitalglobe.com/" target="_blank">https://browse.digitalglobe.com/</a> it is possible to look for satellite images in a very low quality. But even in this low quality it is possible to see some of the huge damage done at these locations:<br />
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<img border="0" height="492" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7Wnpcukpj8YXuAcZ4U_Zc-YH5qYQlTa-7xBrd79fwmaHP877CkxIWjDAaFUfhhFAohtP6HNjDdAeX-tV4wKmzehiPmqw7wtpiccKXV1__p9ChGAKAc_D9BKjm9wCkIoIWaUWlizcPTb4/s640/Tochka+6.JPG" width="640" /><br />
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The red circles indicate possible new huge explosions/craters compared to the previous satellite image. It is possible that some of the not exactly geolocated craters above, correspond with these positions.<br />
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Also there have been less well explored, reported and identified incidents at the factory, like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX4rsWJAau4" target="_blank">this video</a>, or here:<br />
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Seems NovoBarbarians can't get enough of fireworks from the chemical plant. Don't know what they did now again. <a href="https://t.co/QnUAXeaQ3N">https://t.co/QnUAXeaQ3N</a></div>
— Ukraine@war (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/525407290598641664">October 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async="" charset="utf-8" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js"></script>Or here:<br />
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But the May 2015 image also shows two large blast area not determined before (right and upper red circle). The upper one is the position were Graham Phillips got wounded in November 25th 2014:<br />
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This position was a well-known sniper position on Pisky. Could it have been completely blown apart now?<br />
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All areas are shown in this overview:<br />
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Red = known geolocated craters/impacts</div>
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Dark orange = suspected crater/impact that may correspond with non-geolocated crater</div>
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<b>Conclusion</b></div>
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Clearly multiple extreme explosions with corresponding large craters appeared in the areas of the Chemical Factory.</div>
That raises the question: WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?<br />
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Some possibilities:<br />
1. Does Ukraine regularly bomb it with Tochka-U?<br />
2. Do the Russian have ammunition depots there and something goes wrong every now and then? Like in this video:<br />
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3. Do the Russian blow up stuff just to be able to blame Ukraine using Tochka-U and thus have a reason to inflame the conflict again?<br />
4. Are the Russians building, experiment and testing mega-bombs?<br />
5. A combination of the above?<br />
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One thing is clear. The numerous wagons there have not moved since May 30th 2014:<br />
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Therefore it seems unlikely that these are used for transporting ammunition. On the other hand these bunkers and the factory are designed and used for producing and storing ammunition. How much (old?) ammunition was still stored in these bunkers? Could simple shelling have caused a chain reaction and blow up depots?<br />
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But then: if ammunition depots are blown up, why again and again? Or do the Russians deliberately blow up large stocks of old ammo there? And intimidate Donetsk residents and make a nice blame-Ukraine story of it?<br />
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He who knows the answer, may speak out now...<br />
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Here are some of the answers:<br />
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Here's details on the huge explosion at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Donetsk?src=hash">#Donetsk</a> chem & munitions factory 20 September 2014: <a href="https://t.co/sQGjYiDbXL">https://t.co/sQGjYiDbXL</a></div>
— Ystri Ya (@ystriya) <a href="https://twitter.com/ystriya/status/611908649129234432">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros">@DajeyPetros</a> this isn't your average chem factory. it's a storage of explosives. <a href="http://t.co/apjrPrQRRt">http://t.co/apjrPrQRRt</a></div>
— путен XУЙЛO (@xuilolala) <a href="https://twitter.com/xuilolala/status/611913896513904640">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
This last one is really interesting, because it shows photos INSIDE the bunkers with Obama in it when he was still a senator:<br />
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<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYGaHQ63IBN99wORuBahxxR5MgGo1soVSF2YDKxRGpubffRb2dAkesrIehghOBV_afN4cACbAo9cYQjthhB8Sktm4UCdlMfWB6Q-tNM2-Vkg_8EAkyqz4lJ3NptQqfQrmCCthGSXu4dLk/s1600/Tochka+12.JPG"><img border="0" height="472" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYGaHQ63IBN99wORuBahxxR5MgGo1soVSF2YDKxRGpubffRb2dAkesrIehghOBV_afN4cACbAo9cYQjthhB8Sktm4UCdlMfWB6Q-tNM2-Vkg_8EAkyqz4lJ3NptQqfQrmCCthGSXu4dLk/s640/Tochka+12.JPG" width="640" /></a><br />
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Now we can understand why there are mega-explosions over and over again...<br />
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<a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros">@DajeyPetros</a> thanks for ack. here's a bit from Obama's "Audacity of Hope", i just googled and came across. <a href="http://t.co/AuSfHbwSnG">pic.twitter.com/AuSfHbwSnG</a></div>
— путен XУЙЛO (@xuilolala) <a href="https://twitter.com/xuilolala/status/611931025669783552">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros">@DajeyPetros</a> i think it's a message from putin to obama: here's how your shitty peace policies work. you can do nothing if i'm involved.</div>
— путен XУЙЛO (@xuilolala) <a href="https://twitter.com/xuilolala/status/611936750840213504">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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A view in one of the underground bunkers:<br />
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<b>UPDATE 1-8-2015</b><br />
The Times is reporting about Russians building a dirty bomb at the factory:<br />
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Ukraine rebels building radioactive 'dirty bomb’ with Russian scientists <a href="http://t.co/4cptYGdSIq">http://t.co/4cptYGdSIq</a> <a href="http://t.co/n9V25IrV57">pic.twitter.com/n9V25IrV57</a></div>
— The Times of London (@thetimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/627468828642017280">August 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<b>UPDATE 6-8-2015</b><br />
SBU reports that they captured four gang-members trying to smuggle nuclear material into Ukraine:<br />
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BREAKING SBU captured 4 gang-members in West Ukraine region smuggling nuclear material.
<a href="http://t.co/X74PSIDjn0">http://t.co/X74PSIDjn0</a>
<a href="http://t.co/lpYJLQk57r">pic.twitter.com/lpYJLQk57r</a></div>
— Ukraine@war (@DajeyPetros) <a href="https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/status/629169189979299840">August 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
Why would they want to do that...?<br />
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<b>UPDATE 7-8-2015</b><br />
@finriswolf published some recent satellite images of the area that reveal the extent of the explosions:<br />
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<img border="0" height="596" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvO6comz8jfqgklRLfEXL_K-tzES11AQRS2asITADlMVIRi9Eg11oREzW0D5SoH_JdE9XcgdXwkaqsmPTyLePYvi_Cm-ovdpK-S5fdz1CrVi634Rd0t4EA63t7Kgtgx4h6g_byZ1s9Ktk/s640/CL1DzQTUsAACVjJ.jpg" width="640" /><br />
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Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04191947872920589070noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6676722569921276054.post-80359662936215671112015-06-17T04:25:00.000-07:002015-07-02T15:06:51.349-07:00Russian 2S1 Gvozdika battery operating from Krasnoarmiiske to shoot on ShyrokyneA photo of a 2S1 Gvozdika was published on VK.com with geolocation:<br />
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RU hybrid army artillery hiding spot in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Krasnoarmiiske?src=hash">#Krasnoarmiiske</a> <a href="https://t.co/zSzixGeuRP">https://t.co/zSzixGeuRP</a> Wanna go take a look at it, <a href="https://twitter.com/OSCE">@OSCE</a>? <a href="http://t.co/2bn4aHh113">pic.twitter.com/2bn4aHh113</a></div>
— Хуёва Німеччина (@el_roosevelt) <a href="https://twitter.com/el_roosevelt/status/611093745338068992">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
Here is says what location it is:<br />
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That location is <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@47.22555,37.91398,411m/data=!3m1!1e3" target="_blank">here</a>:</div>
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It is within 7 kms of the contact line. According to Minsk 2 ceasefire agreements these heavy artillery should be retreated 20 kms from the contact line.</div>
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This 2S1 is not only hiding there. More photos on that VK-page show there is an entire battery of those and they are shooting too:<br />
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One photo shows the battery driving towards their firing position with windmills on the background:<br />
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It can be geolocated like this:<br />
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It means this must have been the route they took and the firing position must be in the red circle<br />
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This position is at 14 kms distance from Shyrokyne:<br />
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They are most likely firing at Shyrokyne, since this is the closest and main hot spot in the area, known to be targeted with 122mm shells.<br />
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