This has been correctly geolocated by several people already:
Sergivanovg @ @ tombreadley Fits All ... Google maps: http://t.co/W0P7q9FD0W pic.twitter.com / usRvLDfDCcBut we'll do it again to be accurate. This is a screenshot:
- Lousy Believer (@ vanyka_othlobys) July 16, 2014
Yellow = electricity poles
Green = bush
Some cars are parked near the water.
On a map it looks like this:
Yellow dots = poles
Red = cars
Green = bush
When we draw a line from the sixth pole slightly right along the bush, it is the first line of sight. Then from the third pole alongside the cars is the second line of sight. The cameraman is standing where the lines cross.
This screenshot show us where the GRADs are positioned. We can see two here. One already fired. That's when the boys start filming. Then the second starts firing and this is recorded. The black smoke shows the positions.
Now we can draw two lines starting from the location of the cameraman. One goes between poles 3 and 4 and the other slightly right from number 4.
Now the map looks like this:
The GRADS are positioned somewhere along the two blue lines, behind a tree line (dotted green):
The speed of sound is 340 meters per second. Visually the last rocket-engine disappears at 40:11. The sound stops at 47:05. It means there are 6 seconds and 18 frames in between them, which is 6,75 seconds. That means the distance is 2.295 meters.
Yet, this is the distance of the disappearing ROCKET, not of the launcher itself. And the rocket travels AWAY from the site. But let's see where that rocket might have been:
The reddish circle is a distance of 2.300 meters. The yellow line is the direction where we last see the rocket engine. That means that rocket is at the yellow cross. And THAT means the launcher is somehwere at the red crosses. When the first launcher is in visual range of the other, it must be between the green dots and is at the orange cross.
As can be seen, the Ukrainian border is still another 2 kms away. So the GRADs DEFINITELY are on Russian soil.
Location in Google maps:
Now the target area can also be determined:
Dotted blue = Ukrainian / Russian border
Red arrow = approximate direction of firing
Reddish area = possible targets within a range of 5 -20 kms
This is the area where the 79th brigade of Ukraine tries to secure the border crossing of Chervonopartyzansk (= Russian Gukovo).
This facebook account Gives an eyewitness description of the Attack:
"Today, near the border of the Luhansk Region, the Ukrainian 72nd batallion, consisting only of 15 Men were loading the corpses in the refrigerator car. At this time, we were fired at by GRAD rockets. Our Soldiers HAD to leave for shelter, but still five got seriously injured. The attacks did not stop, we HAD to retreat. The terrorists fire drove the Ukrainian soldiers on the territory of the Russian Federation, where they were waiting for by the FSB. The team members were arrested, and every single one WAS taken to hospital in the Russian Gukovo. Now, the Hospital is aurrounded by police of the Russian Federation, in the building are dozens of Russian journalists. ATO Guide contacted Border Service of Russia on the border issue of the Ukrainian Side, but they recommended to contact the supreme commander of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and hung up. "(This translation might need some improvement ...)
So here is the undeniable proof that the Russian army is attacking Ukrainians on Ukrainian territory from Russian territory ...
Here is another better quality video from the same area:
Rocket engine stop at 38:06. Sound stops at 43:20. This is 5:14 frames = 5,6 seconds, corresponds with 1.900 meters.
Reddish circle = 1.900 meter range
Yellow cross = approximate location rocket engine stops
Red crosses = position of GRAD
When we draw a range of 20 kms on a larger map in the approximate firing direction, we get this map:
Dotted blue line = Russian border
Blue line = line of sight towards the firing GRAD
Reddish area = 5-20km range for a GRAD into the approximate firing direction
Yellow area = village of Provillia (see below)
Note that this is not the first time that Russians are firing GRAD rockets across the border. On July 11th it was the first time when an entire Ukrainian camp/convoy had been destroyed near Zelenopole. see this blog. There it was already reported that the fire came from Russian soil. This is the first time is in recorded on film and can be geolocated and thus undeniably proven that it comes from Russian soil.
Basically the Russians are doing this ALL THE TIME already ...!!! The difference is: now it is filmed and pinpointed down to an exact location.
Another video filming the same area from a little bit more Southern position:
A screenshot from the video:
This corresponds with this look in Google Streetview:
On a map:
Red circle = area where the smoke may come from.
As can be seen, there is overlap with the positions in the other two videos.
Still I have some serious questions about this last video. The smoke looks a lot more like smoke from impacts and/or burning things. Neither do we hear any noise from launching GRAD rockets as in the other videos. And we do not see the burning engines of the rockets either. So it looks like Ukraine is shelling back unto the GRAD positions here?
Wow! It means Ukraine is fighting back ON RUSSIAN TERRITORY.
Euromaidan says the town of Provallia is on fire in this video. This could be possible, because the southern part is well in range of the firing in the second video.
But when we extend the view of the area with the smoke to a longer distance, this what we get:
Red area = black and white smoke
Yellow area = village
This doesn't mean the village was not hit. Very likely there have been many more launches that have not been recorded.
Nevertheless the smoke seems too close by to be in the village. It looks like the smoke is right behind the tree line. So for now, I still opt for the possibility that Ukraine has been firing back at Russian soil. And they would have been crazy if they didn't!
One might say: "Why didn't Russia blame Ukraine for firing into Russian territory?"
Well, that would be impossible, because then they would have to admit that they were firing from Russian territory into Ukraine first...
Some guy talking and filming the filming-Location for a long time. I have been told he talks about his childhood etcetera. But the second part gives a good impression of the area.
Russian soldier post photos on his VKontakte-page about his unit shelling Ukraine with heavy artillery from Russian soil. Read blog.
This video is originally from a VKontakte page from June 13th. It does NOT seem to be filmed at this particular location. But it gives a very clear impression of how horrifying these machines are:
UPDATE 26-7: leaked conversations Girkin (Strelkov) asking for Russian artillery:
It isn't "team members" but "FSB agents," i.e. literally the source said "Komitetchiki" which is a slang word for FSB, based on the old name for agents of the KGB, which was Komitet gosudarstvennoi bezopasnosti.ReplyDelete
Oh, Ukraine :'( My heart just breaks for you. May God Bless you and give you strength in your brave fight against the terrorists.ReplyDelete
Ask your minister of defense to 'come clean' with the casualty figure for this Russian outrage. 19 dead doesn't come anywhere close to the numbers of sons, brothers and husbands killed. - some where totally incinerated and of others only isolated body parts were left. more than 60 vehicles including tanks totally destroyed. The men just settling for sleep were killed in their beds. There had to be treachery of some kind for the Russians to strike a target so accurately over a range of more than 40 KM.ReplyDelete
Like the number of prisoners taken, and the amount and types of weapons captured by the enemy, Yats, Turchy, Porko and the gang are running a "be happy, we're winning" advertising campaign at the expense of suffering soldiers and real patriots..
+popsiq I am ex Australian Special Forces, fought in 3 wars, and would gladly fight beside your "brothers" against the monster that is Putin's Army and the "pretend ones called "rebels"Delete